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Ok so the question is temps, what should I be looking at, I've used core temps as my guide.
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stock temps

Taking AMD Overrive as my guide and its 71 degrees cel. Its always worked for me so whats new.

I don't use AOD. I'm alergic to that.
But by looking at it. The margin is the room you have left for the max adviced temp right? Then the max adviced CORE temp would be indeed 71c
That is exactly in line with my info. 70c max on cores(package) and 80c on the cpu(socket).

Stick to your current game. No need to change a winning team.


That said, I just have to ask.
Why do you use AOD? tongue.gif

it shows the amount of thermal margin you have left to work with.
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still incorrect. its been common knowledge in this thread that the Tcase as you say or Socket as we say.. can handle higher temps then your cpu readout. on average about 10^

we are talking about piledriver.. not bulldozer.

Its not incorrect.

Link to post 59

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?289461-A-little-birdie-told-me/page3

Maybe he is noob then.
Edited by hawker-gb - 1/13/15 at 4:36am
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I don't use AOD. I'm alergic to that.
But by looking at it. The margin is the room you have left for the max adviced temp right? Then the max adviced CORE temp would be indeed 71c
That is exactly in line with my info. 70c max on cores(package) and 80c on the cpu(socket).

Stick to your current game. No need to change a winning team.


That said, I just have to ask.
Why do you use AOD? tongue.gif

I dont. I have it so when some one says your temps are all wrong I can fire it up and show the thermal margin ( and show it next to my core temps ) I have loads of software I only use once in a while, usually when seeking an answer to a stupid question I've posted.
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still incorrect. its been common knowledge in this thread that the Tcase as you say or Socket as we say.. can handle higher temps then your cpu readout. on average about 10^

we are talking about piledriver.. not bulldozer.

Its not incorrect.

Link to post 59

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?289461-A-little-birdie-told-me/page3

Maybe he is noob then.




if his word is Law then explain this....

I respect his opinions on the new models, however anything after that is mumbo jumbo...

he claims things that he couldn't possibly know, and alot of what he said is contradictory to what has been seen here over almost 2 years and what is proven by amd..

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?289461-A-little-birdie-told-me&p=5237937&viewfull=1#post5237937
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Or you think the guys in AMD are also wrong:

Ticket regarding my question about FX8150

Dear Customer,

Your service request : SR #{ticketno:[8200609443]} has been reviewed and updated.

Response and Service Request History:

I understand that you have questions regarding specification. If this is incorrect, please let me know as the information provided may change.

The 61℃ is the max Tcase, it is the maximum case temperature specification.

The 70℃ is max Tctl, it is a non-physical temperature on an arbitrary scale that should be used for system thermal management policies.

If you have any other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reply to this e-mail directly and I will try to provide any additional information that you may require. Thank you for contacting AMD!

In order to update this service request, please respond, leaving the service request reference intact.

Best regards,

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Do you ever wonder why that line is there?

Do you not think that AMD knows their designs better then some overclocker? Do you not think they would use their Rather expensive Labs and testing suites to come up with a rather accurate equation to give you a fairly close temp so that you know what is going on with your chip?

its a little silly to think that they didn't.
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I don't say his words are law but he got a lot of accomplishments behind.
Not only world record and OC stuff.

Maybe he got insights and knowledge we don't have access to.

And You ad hoc discarding him.
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I don't say his words are law but he got a lot of accomplishments behind.
Not only world record and OC stuff.

Maybe he got insights and knowledge we don't have access to.

And You ad hoc discarding him.

Haha, you keep going at it.
Give it up.

Flail said it. There is no more to say.

You really think that one person knows more then what we stand for here for years, plus what amd states themselves.
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After my post of various tCase temp you start having fun with this:
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hahaha no..

show me a degraded chip, that isn't in the hands of a horrible overclocked. These chips are incredibly hard to kill.

temp limit is 72^ for ALL Piledriver chips. Download AMD overdrive and check your thermal margins for your self.

stop spouting misinformation.
BS, utter BS.. these chips don't get issues until 70+ degrees, look at your board if you having issue before then...
eh... your not even stable how can you say this?

And then you support my case with quoting my post which include this:

Dear Customer,

Your service request : SR #{ticketno:[8200609443]} has been reviewed and updated.

Response and Service Request History:

I understand that you have questions regarding specification. If this is incorrect, please let me know as the information provided may change.

The 61℃ is the max Tcase, it is the maximum case temperature specification.

The 70℃ is max Tctl, it is a non-physical temperature on an arbitrary scale that should be used for system thermal management policies.

If you have any other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reply to this e-mail directly and I will try to provide any additional information that you may require. Thank you for contacting AMD!

In order to update this service request, please respond, leaving the service request reference intact.

Best regards,

AMD Global Customer Care


So,AMD said that 61 is max tCase temp which is in line with this:

Officially the maximum tCase temperature for the various FX models is specified to:

Infra A - FR (125W TDP) - 61.1 degree C
Infra B - WM (95W TDP) - 70.5 degree C
Infra C - OL (65W TDP) - 70.3 degree C
Infra D - HO (45W TDP) - 69.1 degree C
Infra E - SJ (25W TDP) - 70.0 degree C
Infra F - FH (220W TDP) - 57.0 degree C

Really Flail,can you see difference between tCase and Tctl?
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I don't say his words are law but he got a lot of accomplishments behind.
Not only world record and OC stuff.

Maybe he got insights and knowledge we don't have access to.

And You ad hoc discarding him.

you misunderstand.

I'm not discarding him. I'm discarding some of the things that he posted.

-no form of proof or source.
-contradicts a lot of what is common knowledge here
-he seems to be the only one saying it aside from him.

i'll use Seronx, as an example.. Dude posts wild claims.. but normally always posts something to back it up...(weather it ever see the light of day is another thing)

I'm just not going to up and believe something without proof, just because someone holds a record says so.
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After my post of various tCase temp you start having fun with this:
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hahaha no..

show me a degraded chip, that isn't in the hands of a horrible overclocked. These chips are incredibly hard to kill.

temp limit is 72^ for ALL Piledriver chips. Download AMD overdrive and check your thermal margins for your self.

stop spouting misinformation.
BS, utter BS.. these chips don't get issues until 70+ degrees, look at your board if you having issue before then...
eh... your not even stable how can you say this?

And then you support my case with quoting my post which include this:

Dear Customer,

Your service request : SR #{ticketno:[8200609443]} has been reviewed and updated.

Response and Service Request History:

I understand that you have questions regarding specification. If this is incorrect, please let me know as the information provided may change.

The 61℃ is the max Tcase, it is the maximum case temperature specification.

The 70℃ is max Tctl, it is a non-physical temperature on an arbitrary scale that should be used for system thermal management policies.

If you have any other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reply to this e-mail directly and I will try to provide any additional information that you may require. Thank you for contacting AMD!

In order to update this service request, please respond, leaving the service request reference intact.

Best regards,

AMD Global Customer Care


So,AMD said that 61 is max tCase temp which is in line with this:

Officially the maximum tCase temperature for the various FX models is specified to:

Infra A - FR (125W TDP) - 61.1 degree C
Infra B - WM (95W TDP) - 70.5 degree C
Infra C - OL (65W TDP) - 70.3 degree C
Infra D - HO (45W TDP) - 69.1 degree C
Infra E - SJ (25W TDP) - 70.0 degree C
Infra F - FH (220W TDP) - 57.0 degree C


Really Flail,can you see difference between tCase and Tctl?

this was post by the stilt not AMD

yes i know the difference. what i'm say is the difference doesn't matter. That has all been figured out and locked in before the launch of the chip.

AMD tells you to use the Tctl, they made the chip, why do you doubt them?

If the Tcase was the IMPORTANT temp here don't ya think AMD would tell you to use that one? if it was also that important the motherboard makers would not be able to get away with arbitrarily changing those values

the fact my Tcase will reach higher then that 61.1 degrees CONSTANTLY kuz you know I do more than just game on my computer... it actually work a fair amount. you would think after running over a year and half like this i would be seeing some "degradation" as you say...

fact of the matter is.. I've not seen any degradation at all

so where does that leave this, if degradation is so unavoidable.rolleyes.gif
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this was post by the stilt not AMD

yes i know the difference. what i'm say is the difference doesn't matter. That has all been figured out and locked in before the launch of the chip.

AMD tells you to use the Tctl, they made the chip, why do you doubt them?

If the Tcase was the IMPORTANT temp here don't ya think AMD would tell you to use that one? if it was also that important the motherboard makers would not be able to get away with arbitrarily changing those values

I am not point on that. You laugh at statement (mine supported by AMD on tCase temp.)

AMD mail clearly said that 61 degrees celsius is maax. tCase temp.

After that you start laughing that is not true.

Can we agree that AMD said that 61 degrees is max tCase for 125w?

Max tctl for all FX is 71 degrees celsius.


I must ask(all) :
When redout on CPU temp is ,lets say 75 degrees, what you think how much is your actual die temperature.
Pure thermodynamics. Please just answer that.

EDIT: if AMD think that tCase is not needed why they write it at all?
Edited by hawker-gb - 1/13/15 at 5:31am
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