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My board does not have a lot of the extra settings that the kitty has. I have tried a lot of different settings for vcore, cpu/nb voltage/speed, htt speed/voltage, and the two choices I have for pll. Nothing seems to make a difference.

I left my ram settings on auto because I am not overclocking the RAM yet, and the only settings I know anything about (the standard timings, and voltage), are being set correctly with auto (with the exception of DRAM voltage). One funny thing though, I noticed since I got this chip and updated my bios, the board is setting DRAM voltage to 1.58v instead of the stock 1.5v. So I set DRAM voltage to 1.5 manually. Strange huh?

All power saving features off.

I ran 4.6 at 1.384v and prime seemed ok (couldn't run for hours because of temps), but again IBT failed. Temps were high, so I started fooling with 4.5 instead.

Here is 4.6

Edit: had one wrong picture.



Hmm..

So you couldn't run prime longer because of temps.
You do know that IBT mostly runs your stuff hotter?
Might just be the cause of your freezes?

But, how come you have such high temps with pre 1.4v.
That cooler isn't exactly small now is it?

Have you tried a re-mount?

Try the fsb/Multi combo.
Like me, my chip likes it much better that way. I was struggling real bad to pass 4.8 with Multi only. With the 267 fsb I can go higher.
Just try things.

It's trial and error man.
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Like I said, on all 8 cores, I can not go past 1.4v at any clockspeed (even 4.5) or I will instafreeze. (Or on one core from each module for that matter)

I can go 4.8 past 1.4v but only on the first 4 cores. But not on 1 core from each module.

Thats plain logic.
I can go much higher with modules disabled too.

I am really tempted to blaim cooling...
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Yeah....
I know what you are doing there mister.

You are going for a nr. of posts rush.

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Hmm..

So you couldn't run prime longer because of temps.
You do know that IBT mostly runs your stuff hotter?
Might just be the cause of your freezes?

But, how come you have such high temps with pre 1.4v.
That cooler isn't exactly small now is it?

Have you tried a re-mount?

Try the fsb/Multi combo.
Like me, my chip likes it much better that way. I was struggling real bad to pass 4.8 with Multi only. With the 267 fsb I can go higher.
Just try things.

It's trial and error man.
Thats plain logic.
I can go much higher with modules disabled too.

I am really tempted to blaim cooling...
Yeah....
I know what you are doing there mister.

You are going for a nr. of posts rush.

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I do think I need a re-mount. (although I also think my IHS is far from flat) I would like to lap the IHS.

My point was that 4 cores (on the first two modules) does not cause insta-freeze, but 4 cores (one from each module) will cause insta-freeze. Maybe 4 cores will run hotter when using all modules?

Multi/FSB combo makes no difference.

For me small FFT causes more heat than IBT does.


Yes I am challenged. wink.gif
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I do think I need a re-mount. (although I also think my IHS is far from flat) I would like to lap the IHS.

My point was that 4 cores (on the first two modules) does not cause insta-freeze, but 4 cores (one from each module) will cause insta-freeze. Maybe 4 cores will run hotter when using all modules?

Multi/FSB combo makes no difference.

For me small FFT causes more heat than IBT does.


Yes I am challenged. wink.gif

True. FX chips are convex.
Wouldn't bother lapping. It takes and awful lot of time for a few degrees at best.

Try the re-mount and see what that does for you.

Disabling cores, gives less stress.
And yes, there are most likely one or more cores that are a bit weak. Else the chip would've been an 8370e or higher. It's called binning.
    
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This is a trend I have seen with the "new breed" of FX CPUs. They're low leakage chips and meant to run on low voltages. I'm sure cooling plays a big part in pshootrs problem but the CPU behaves just like others I have seen. It would probably boot at above 5.0 GHz with low voltage but when you want it to do real work like stability testing it just locks up. The older CPUs you could push with additional voltage and eventually overcome the workload but the newer ones won't do this. The higher the voltage is the sooner they lock. The new 8320 I picked up ran cinebench at 5.4 with 1.45v
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It didn't matter how much more voltage or cooling I gave it it would not go any higher and I had this one really cold.
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Maybe what I should do is try to run prime with all modules enabled, but only run test on certain threads. At-least I think that is possible. I will have to look in to that. That may tell us more.

I know you can tell prime how many threads to run, I just don't know if you can tell it which threads to use.
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This is a trend I have seen with the "new breed" of FX CPUs. They're low leakage chips and meant to run on low voltages. I'm sure cooling plays a big part in pshootrs problem but the CPU behaves just like others I have seen. It would probably boot at above 5.0 GHz with low voltage but when you want it to do real work like stability testing it just locks up. The older CPUs you could push with additional voltage and eventually overcome the workload but the newer ones won't do this. The higher the voltage is the sooner they lock. The new 8320 I picked up ran cinebench at 5.4 with 1.45v
LL

It didn't matter how much more voltage or cooling I gave it it would not go any higher and I had this one really cold.

Interesting.
Makes sense somehow. They meant to run at low voltage after all.

But your new 8320 is a non-e, right?

My older 8320 limits at around 5.2. At least with my current cooling.

Can probably go higher with more volts but I don't like the temps it reaches. smile.gif
    
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This is a trend I have seen with the "new breed" of FX CPUs. They're low leakage chips and meant to run on low voltages. I'm sure cooling plays a big part in pshootrs problem but the CPU behaves just like others I have seen. It would probably boot at above 5.0 GHz with low voltage but when you want it to do real work like stability testing it just locks up. The older CPUs you could push with additional voltage and eventually overcome the workload but the newer ones won't do this. The higher the voltage is the sooner they lock. The new 8320 I picked up ran cinebench at 5.4 with 1.45v
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It didn't matter how much more voltage or cooling I gave it it would not go any higher and I had this one really cold.


^
Pretty much nailed it there. Very similar to my experiences.
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@Chopper1591

here i did a little stress test for ya lol

i ran ibt on the lowest vcore i could run it on then i ran prime for over an hour on lowest i could do

ibt 1.572vcore



vs prime 1.524 small fft's



i think id prefer the prime over ibt as the difference in core temps and volts is huge
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This is a trend I have seen with the "new breed" of FX CPUs. They're low leakage chips and meant to run on low voltages. I'm sure cooling plays a big part in pshootrs problem but the CPU behaves just like others I have seen. It would probably boot at above 5.0 GHz with low voltage but when you want it to do real work like stability testing it just locks up. The older CPUs you could push with additional voltage and eventually overcome the workload but the newer ones won't do this. The higher the voltage is the sooner they lock. The new 8320 I picked up ran cinebench at 5.4 with 1.45v
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It didn't matter how much more voltage or cooling I gave it it would not go any higher and I had this one really cold.

I think you may be on to something here in relation to chips like mine. Although, it seems not everyone with an E-chip is experiencing this. I feel very unlucky rolleyes.gif
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