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@Chopper1591

here i did a little stress test for ya lol

i ran ibt on the lowest vcore i could run it on then i ran prime for over an hour on lowest i could do

ibt 1.572vcore



vs prime 1.524 small fft's



i think id prefer the prime over ibt as the difference in core temps and volts is huge

The small FFT test doesn't use the ram or the IMC very much which makes a big difference. If you were to set a custom test in P95 to use half your available ram like IBT then I think you would find it makes a difference how much v_Core you need . The harder you work the ram the more stress it puts on the CPU etc...

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This is a trend I have seen with the "new breed" of FX CPUs. They're low leakage chips and meant to run on low voltages. I'm sure cooling plays a big part in pshootrs problem but the CPU behaves just like others I have seen. It would probably boot at above 5.0 GHz with low voltage but when you want it to do real work like stability testing it just locks up. The older CPUs you could push with additional voltage and eventually overcome the workload but the newer ones won't do this. The higher the voltage is the sooner they lock. The new 8320 I picked up ran cinebench at 5.4 with 1.45v
LL

It didn't matter how much more voltage or cooling I gave it it would not go any higher and I had this one really cold.

I think you may be on to something here in relation to chips like mine. Although, it seems not everyone with an E-chip is experiencing this. I feel very unlucky rolleyes.gif

This is where cooling plays a big part. Check the last CPU-z link in my sig. You'll see that the 8320 I had ran 6.66MHz with less than 1.6v on LN2. The cooler the chip the lower the voltage requirements for the same clocks.
@ chopper, It is an 8320 but it's new made on 1411 so the characteristics are very similar to the "E" version. My stock VID was 1.212
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The small FFT test doesn't use the ram or the IMC very much which makes a big difference. If you were to set a custom test in P95 to use half your available ram like IBT then I think you would find it makes a difference how much v_Core you need . The harder you work the ram the more stress it puts on the CPU etc... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
This is where cooling plays a big part. Check the last CPU-z link in my sig. You'll see that the 8320 I had ran 6.66MHz with less than 1.6v on LN2. The cooler the chip the lower the voltage requirements for the same clocks.
@ chopper, It is an 8320 but it's new made on 1411 so the characteristics are very similar to the "E" version. My stock VID was 1.212

i was using small ffts just for the maximum heat output

i will run a custom p95 and post later smile.gif
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This is a trend I have seen with the "new breed" of FX CPUs. They're low leakage chips and meant to run on low voltages. I'm sure cooling plays a big part in pshootrs problem but the CPU behaves just like others I have seen. It would probably boot at above 5.0 GHz with low voltage but when you want it to do real work like stability testing it just locks up. The older CPUs you could push with additional voltage and eventually overcome the workload but the newer ones won't do this. The higher the voltage is the sooner they lock. The new 8320 I picked up ran cinebench at 5.4 with 1.45v
LL

It didn't matter how much more voltage or cooling I gave it it would not go any higher and I had this one really cold.

makes me wonder if there is a higher baseline amperage require for these new chips.

considering the balance with ohms law equation has kinda lead me to think this way
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Try not to get lured in by the troll.
Ah wel.
It's just one of the drawbacks of the board.

If your current clock is doing it for you and in fact completely stable on the h80...
I don't know if it is worth it to go custom loop.

What is your goal? More silent also?
Do note that it will be pretty expensive to go full custom. I advice you not to skimp on parts.

It also depends on what you do with your system? Is your gpu enough for what you do with it?
If you are somewhat a serious gamer, my vote goes to the gpu all the way!

I would buy a gpu first...
My current clock is more than plenty and I could probably even go back to 4.8 and not notice it when gaming. A bit more silent wouldn't hurt, although with my new JetFlos and homemade shrouds it's already much quieter than it was as standard.
My main problem is that I also do benching sometimes and you can never have enough cooling power for that. So the real issue is do I invest money into gaming or benching. TBH I'm leaning more towards the GPU myself, but then the already delayed custom loop plans would delay even further...
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This is a trend I have seen with the "new breed" of FX CPUs. They're low leakage chips and meant to run on low voltages. I'm sure cooling plays a big part in pshootrs problem but the CPU behaves just like others I have seen. It would probably boot at above 5.0 GHz with low voltage but when you want it to do real work like stability testing it just locks up. The older CPUs you could push with additional voltage and eventually overcome the workload but the newer ones won't do this. The higher the voltage is the sooner they lock. The new 8320 I picked up ran cinebench at 5.4 with 1.45v
LL

It didn't matter how much more voltage or cooling I gave it it would not go any higher and I had this one really cold.

makes me wonder if there is a higher baseline amperage require for these new chips.

considering the balance with ohms law equation has kinda lead me to think this way


This I wouldn't know. I do know I threw everything the CHV-z had to offer at it and it made no difference. As long as it was light benching it could handle it but things like Cinebench would lock it up as soon as I hit start . I played with NB frequency all the way up to 3500 and it still wouldn't budge it. I managed 11.5 at 5.9 but 15 wouldn't run above 5.5. I just don't think it's a matter of getting the power as opposed to getting rid of it or using it. It's like it just gets too full and stops. headscratch.gif
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Try not to get lured in by the troll.
Ah wel.
It's just one of the drawbacks of the board.

If your current clock is doing it for you and in fact completely stable on the h80...
I don't know if it is worth it to go custom loop.

What is your goal? More silent also?
Do note that it will be pretty expensive to go full custom. I advice you not to skimp on parts.

It also depends on what you do with your system? Is your gpu enough for what you do with it?
If you are somewhat a serious gamer, my vote goes to the gpu all the way!

I would buy a gpu first...
My current clock is more than plenty and I could probably even go back to 4.8 and not notice it when gaming. A bit more silent wouldn't hurt, although with my new JetFlos and homemade shrouds it's already much quieter than it was as standard.
My main problem is that I also do benching sometimes and you can never have enough cooling power for that. So the real issue is do I invest money into gaming or benching. TBH I'm leaning more towards the GPU myself, but then the already delayed custom loop plans would delay even further...

Go for the GPU, you can use it for benching and with the winter upon us just close the door, open the window and bench with a parka on.
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This is a trend I have seen with the "new breed" of FX CPUs. They're low leakage chips and meant to run on low voltages. I'm sure cooling plays a big part in pshootrs problem but the CPU behaves just like others I have seen. It would probably boot at above 5.0 GHz with low voltage but when you want it to do real work like stability testing it just locks up. The older CPUs you could push with additional voltage and eventually overcome the workload but the newer ones won't do this. The higher the voltage is the sooner they lock. The new 8320 I picked up ran cinebench at 5.4 with 1.45v
LL

It didn't matter how much more voltage or cooling I gave it it would not go any higher and I had this one really cold.

makes me wonder if there is a higher baseline amperage require for these new chips.

considering the balance with ohms law equation has kinda lead me to think this way


This I wouldn't know. I do know I threw everything the CHV-z had to offer at it and it made no difference. As long as it was light benching it could handle it but things like Cinebench would lock it up as soon as I hit start . I played with NB frequency all the way up to 3500 and it still wouldn't budge it. I managed 11.5 at 5.9 but 15 wouldn't run above 5.5. I just don't think it's a matter of getting the power as opposed to getting rid of it or using it. It's like it just gets too full and stops. headscratch.gif

I'm very much interested in picking up a new chip, and saving my current one for LN2 (eventually i might take the plunge)

these new chips don't seem to play the same game so to speak as the old FX chips.

easy way to test this is just have two high quality differing wattage PSUs like a 600-750 w vs 1000-1200w range.

its a suspicion i've have for awhile without being in a spot to test it easily, that PSU is playing a Larger factor in the overclocks then many may be aware of...

OFC this all may be tinfoil, but theoretically it seems slightly plausible in my mind

or... 5.5 is just the hard limit of the node without exotic cooling. (steamroller node limit comes to mind)
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My 9370 did the same thing just at a higher clock. I used 1K Superfower based PSU when benching.
I'm sure the PSU would have an impact if it was undersized but the board is going to limit it to 30A regardless. At least I think that's the CHV-z limit .
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Well I tried running 4.95GHz at all the way up to 1.594V. But nothing. Socket gets too hot at those voltages. And throttles at 75C. Cores are perfectly safe at nothing higher than 60C. Now unlike our friend who seems to think otherwise. My cores still have 10C of thermal headroom. But even with all the modifications I have made to the socket of my motherboard I can't keep her cool at anything higher than 1.584V in the 4.9GHz region when using IBT.

If Flail and the rest of the boys would like to look at my BIOS screenies to see if there is anything amiss. All the settings stayed the same EXCEPT for Base clock which was set to 253 = 253.8MHz real time due to Asus base clock overshoot, and then the multiplier to 19.5. So 253.8 x 19.5 = 4.95GHz. Due to lowering my base clock my RAM, NB and HTT slowed. So there should be no reason to adjust those voltages really as there should not be any stability issues there.





Now while I am quite suspect about the thread that guy posted earlier, there is something I wish to discuss. The Stilt seemed to have an interesting stability testing method of ONLY testing 4 cores or 2 modules at a time. Do you guys think there may be any merit to that? Somehow I do not think so. Since Windows 7 with hot fixes or windows8, will apply workloads to cores 0,2,4,6 and only THEN 1,3,5,8 in order to prevent a module from getting bogged down too much. From the sounds of it the Stilts logic is flawed, since he thinks the cores are loaded up in order and so a module will be loaded to capacity before shifting to a new one. What you guys think?
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What vcore does your chip run 4.8 @?

Also might want give VDDA a fair bit more voltage, NB core can use some voltage also.

Why are you running stress testes with c1e,SVM and C6 enabled? are you using an virtual OS environments?
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I'm just curios if you've tried a higher clock with your ram and NB closer to stock settings? IBT is pretty hard on the IMC and dropping those would lighten the load and allow you to drop the volts and eliminate some heat.
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