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Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

I bet that one would run 3 ghz on a watch battery....lol . It would be fun to see just how much you could undervolt that and be stable at 3 ghz.

Curious, what tests are you running and how do they fail when pushing it above 4.5 ghz?
mine doesnt fail at 4.5...But I run ibt at very high 20 passes..edit: just realized that wasn't aimed at me lol....though I should try that one day just to see...honestly I didnt even test this one at stock like I normally do...
Edited by mfknjadagr8 - 1/13/15 at 4:40pm
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my 8320E has a vid of 1.13 but needs 1.524 under load at 4.8....saddens me deeply but that's how the lottery works I guess

and my 8320 has a vid of 1.38 and need 1.45 to be stable at 4.8, and 1.525 to stabilize at 5.0... you're right, the lottery is cruel sometimes.
 
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I think it's the difference in scaling too.....


Many don't test their chip on lower voltages at stock speeds. Often times a board defaults to a certain voltage, and we go up from there.....
It's also the reason we see high overclocks on "stock voltages" sometimes....

And of course, the motherboard and cooling has tons to do with it also.

I learned something with bulldozer, that from my research seems to translate into piledriver also......
It's one thing that REALLY differs from thuban....

Thuban doesn't seem to give a damn about voltage past 1.5v without really good cooling to go with it. It wants to be cool, and if you are breaking 53-55c and reaching stability issues, it doesn't matter how much voltage you run to it, it's done....

With bulldozer/piledriver (though not nearly as bad with piledriver), it will take more voltage, even if temps become an issue, you can actually add more voltage to overcome the stability issues, but in turn you increase your temps even further. It's a viscous cycle at that point..... the higher your temps, the more voltage you need to maintain stability, the higher the voltage you use, the worse your temps become.

If you can slap any recently produced vishera on a good board (minimum UD3 but preferably sabertooth/crosshair), and give it some really good air cooling, or some decent water, you can give it 1.5-1.55v and hit between 4.7-5.1GHz.

Most of the newer chips I've seen will do really close to the highly desired 5GHz (and I theorize that they all CAN), but it's sometimes at the cost of the chips health. And that's either because you need 1.57+v to do it (which is the result of a not so great chip), or you risk it's life through unsettling temps.

Most of us just don't want to run more than 1.55v on an all-in-one water kit and air cooler.

I'd definitely try 1.6v on one of these chips if I could keeep it cool though. I am really itching to join that 5GHz club. redface.gif
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I think it's the difference in scaling too.....


Many don't test their chip on lower voltages at stock speeds. Often times a board defaults to a certain voltage, and we go up from there.....
It's also the reason we see high overclocks on "stock voltages" sometimes....

And of course, the motherboard and cooling has tons to do with it also.

I learned something with bulldozer, that from my research seems to translate into piledriver also......
It's one thing that REALLY differs from thuban....

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With bulldozer/piledriver (though not nearly as bad with piledriver), it will take more voltage, even if temps become an issue, you can actually add more voltage to overcome the stability issues, but in turn you increase your temps even further. It's a viscous cycle at that point..... the higher your temps, the more voltage you need to maintain stability, the higher the voltage you use, the worse your temps become.

If you can slap any recently produced vishera on a good board (minimum UD3 but preferably sabertooth/crosshair), and give it some really good air cooling, or some decent water, you can give it 1.5-1.55v and hit between 4.7-5.1GHz.

Most of the newer chips I've seen will do really close to the highly desired 5GHz (and I theorize that they all CAN), but it's sometimes at the cost of the chips health. And that's either because you need 1.57+v to do it (which is the result of a not so great chip), or you risk it's life through unsettling temps.

Most of us just don't want to run more than 1.55v on an all-in-one water kit and air cooler.

I'd definitely try 1.6v on one of these chips if I could keeep it cool though. I am really itching to join that 5GHz club. redface.gif
I'm considering switching back to my 8320 that's in the fiances build because it was stable at 1.48 for 4.8... Now that my cooling issue is resolved I think I could hit 5.0 on it
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Regarding temperature,everything above 50 degrees celsius is unstable territory for FX.

It's slightly better with 95w E variants.

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Regarding temperature,everything above 50 degrees celsius is unstable territory for FX.

It's slightly better with 95w E variants.


With all the fx chips i have handled i would say this is false, more like 60c, then you start running into trouble.

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Originally Posted by hawker-gb View Post

60 degrees is dangerous territory.
Every 125w chip have 61 degrees max tcase temperature while 95w have 71 degrees max.

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60 degrees is dangerous territory.
Every 125w chip have 61 degrees max tcase temperature while 95w have 71 degrees max.

That's noto entirely true,sure 70 °C are a lot, bit an FX can work up to 75°C without a sweat.

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75 degrees celsius is way too much for 125w FX.
Electron migration and degradation of chip cannot be avoided.

61 degrees celsius is max tcase temp. for 125w
71 degrees celsius is max tcase temp. for 95w

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It's not the same.
I am writing now from mobile. I will provide link when I come to PC.

But you can be sure it's 71 degrees celsius for 95w FX and 61 for 125w.

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Fast reply,I quoting Stilt on this:

Officially the maximum tCase temperature for the various FX models is specified to:

Infra A - FR (125W TDP) - 61.1 degree C
Infra B - WM (95W TDP) - 70.5 degree C
Infra C - OL (65W TDP) - 70.3 degree C
Infra D - HO (45W TDP) - 69.1 degree C
Infra E - SJ (25W TDP) - 70.0 degree C
Infra F - FH (220W TDP) - 57.0 degree C

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That thread is :TLDR for me. So please explain how we can obtain this TCase value. Rather get a reading of the said item. smile.gif

Occurs to me, I can still push my chip up to 80C on cores and not throttle nor produce instability with stressing apps.

You can manually disable/limit throtling on some boards.

Let me ask you something,if your CPU temp is 80C what you think your actual die temp is?
Higher or lower?

Stilt:
So when you are talking about the temperature always use the tCase temperature instead of the tCTL control value.

you keep typing an "email" from amd. which no one will EVER believe

anyone could make up that junk

add to that you try to "claim" different temps biased off of TDP from factory, when in fact they are all the same die from similar wafers while they may not all be safe at the same temps, it is by far closer then what you are speculating, and amd will have the safety margin built in already with their thermal margin

going further you keep claiming to go by socket temp. which AMD has zero control over,
i can "lower" my socket temp by placing a fan on it, however just by that my cores are magically ok with the same inadequate cooling ? no.

the only thing that socket will mater on is what the mobo manufacture rates it at. that is it

and as i can bench at 5.5ghz on water ( before the 9xxx or the newer 83xx chips ) and maxed out my cpu ( 92c iirc before/when it shuts down ) several times without issue ( meaning no settings needed changed in my 24/7 oc )

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Quote:
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Fast test,IBT-AVX very high , RAM 9-9-9-24 (1600Mhz) @ 1,65v (7 years old RAM)

47 degrees max socket and 42,6 max core temp.

FX8370 @ 4,7Ghz (1,33vcore)
On the picture you can see temps,voltages,etc...


This got my attention though. tongue.gif 7 year old RAM.

DDR3 was announced in 2007. August to be exact. Got that on realease date?

That sure is a specimen. tongue.gif
also with this, his temps are not spectacular. i can run ( iirc ) 1.3 5.1ghz ( @Red1776 please confirm/deny ) with my 1226 pgn with lower ram~cpu/nb~Ht speeds red will know as i bought it from him.

the thing is no one wants to use 1600 ram as it holds you back ( * excluding kya and a few others ) with these chips.

your temps or "stability" are far from amazing, when you push CPU/NB and ram speeds and maintain the same temps, there is something to write about.

i can not wait to get my amd rig back, made alot of progress, still a ways to go buy i need to find a 2mm pin crimper ( making usb 3.0 cables )

i am sick of these wild claims

esp when the reason is he OC to world records, which have ZERO meaning on anything 24/7 as i doubt he runs anything 24/7
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@Mega Man not referring to his temps man. And that "specimen" refers to the age of his sticks. Which he first claimed to be 7 years old. And admitted it being 6. But I can say, 11 out of 12, it less than 6 years old. tongue.gif

Edit:

You and I both know running on that Voltage with over 360mm Rad and you can't get much change in temps than that of your ambient / Water Temp. biggrin.gif
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sorry if i didnt mention it, what i am saying is his oc is not a huge deal, it is nice, but he is still only @ 1600 ram
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Can someone explain to me why many games/titles even new... are still very dependent on that high IPC/singlethread/fewer thread execution?.... Like MMOs for example look at WoW for example still basically ancient 10 year old engine rofl...they apparently don't/not inclined to work on any form of multirender/multithreading/optimization/better coding that PD would/does run just ridiculously better with rofl....in turn some of worst performance is/I get in WoW......vs played Archeage a bit you know optimized/utilize multrender/multithreading and it runs ridiculously better/ good on here. Same with like Battlefield 4 etc and good handful of other titles....

I mean is this some clearly Intel/Nvidia fanboyism/catering or what?....I don't like that....what the hell you know....I just want to run/play with good performance....instead this hardware/coding/optimization catering/war going on? that's not cool..... basically forcing me to only use/play titles that can run effectively/utilize PD better....
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it is more simple then that. poor coding.

who wants to pay top dollar for good programers.

you can pay less for crappy ones and still make lots of monies

although i have never had an issue playing them
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it is more simple then that. poor coding.

who wants to pay top dollar for good programers.

you can pay less for crappy ones and still make lots of monies

although i have never had an issue playing them

Yes clearly a lot of poor coding....just saying there's a significant performance difference in some of these titles man....you know really should not be that bad...Mainly WoW upsets me because done/tried almost everything to try to get some more acceptable Frames/consistency w 1080p...but the drops/minimums/hitch/lag I get are just bad...even with a lot settings turned down.....got it a good bit better but still drop into 50s in some stressful areas on mediumish settings though kinda bad....vs few intel builds that didn't/never missed a beat ever below 60fps 1080p/damn near maxing out settings...
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