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Such a great addition you are to the thread rolleyes.gif

again you have a new super low leak chip... staaaahpp it!!!!!11!1!

9590's are cherry picked old 8350.... yes their are going to be bloody pigs..

their piggishness wasn't questioned at all. kuz we knew that what it takes to run them like that.

AMD releasing a chip very close to how WE in this thread overclock and over volt while offering the same warranty as the base models.

can we stop now?

1,54 is still far from 1,6 or 1,7 and even one member point out 2 volts and then go back to normal use.rolleyes.gif

8370 have nothing to do with your attempts of laughing.wink.gif

So,1,54-1,57 is max what AMD pulls from Visheras regarding safety.

Is it safe to go up to 1,6 1,7 ,18 etc?

That person was me smile.gif.
Plenty of people have done this with Vishera's, - Alatar for one.

Johan had a great analogy, earlier , but I think we are caught in a discussion where we are a bit undecided where the line between degradation and death lies.

I've forgotten where it is posted, but I've seen an AMD rep. quoted as saying the recommended safe maximum voltage for the Bulldozer/Piledriver was 1.55volts , but there is a very healthy margin of safety built into that number. ( the author hinted that it was closer to 1.65 volts iirc).

In any event , I'll stick by my guns and say that under normal cooling, heat will limit the voltage you can run these chips at to the point that the level of degradation will probably not be noticeable during it's useful lifespan.

That's based on my experience with them , based on a couple years + of playing with a half dozen of them.

You are more than welcome to disagree, but until my experience demonstrates things differently, these are my thoughts on the subject smile.gif

* I do think that the E variants may be less tolerant of excessive voltages however *

Johan had a great analogy ( very good with them analogys man !) about leakage earlier too , using water as a reference.
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Darn close cssorkinman it's the 1260 supernova, runs 9x140mm fans http://www.frozencpu.com/products/26072/ex-rad-737/Phobya_Xtreme_SUPERNOVA_1260_Radiator_-_Full_Copper_35501.html

I wouldn't advise anyone to try this without first considering that you also need to run antifreeze in the loop to avoid freezing and even in the winter condensation can be a problem. So all hoses are insulated. The block and board also need proper preparation to avoid any kind of water damage.
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actually is has quite a bit to do with me mocking you. its clouded your perception... you went from the fail know as Zambezi to the most mature and lowest leak version of Vishera. you are seeing two extremes and nothing in between.

there is also MUCH you need to learn about these chip. Honestly. 1.54-1.57 is the vid @ baseclock with Turbo off.

With turbo on the Vid will be over 1.6v

so here is some of the bigger picture. 9590 is AMD's most expensive consumer grade Vishera (also read.. MOST PROFITABLE in terms of die cost vs consumer cost)

if AMD was to gamble with the life span of a product, their model with the most profit margin (read as most profit to lose) would not be the one they would gamble on.
It does not make any business sense what-so-ever, constantly giving out free chip that you could be making that 180% off of..

Factor in the warranty, and the fact that AMD has never ever really said anything about a voltage limit.

in-response to your email from amd tech level 1, do you really expect the whole truth from a low level tech? key thing missing in that email is that these temps are based on a reference board design by Sapphire (pure black)

To fill you in, Those boards are EXTREMELY rare, this thread has seen One maybe? and not in action. Once you get into Board partner territory, Their limits superseded Amd's reference in certain areas, there are aspect that must be kept to reference but the Tech I personally spoke to would not go into greater detail.
In Markham, the location I visited they have three different motherboards there for testing. A pure black (thing looks amazing in person IMHO) a UD5 and a CHVFZ.

You've kinda gotta go up the chain a little to get all the info.

2v? no body, and i mean NO BODY but the handful of LN2 users we have here do this.

also nobody is saying 1.8+ is safe. if you actually read into the vernacular used, they are implying when they do this they know it is not safe and they know the risks. (read: Suicides)

if a h100i can handle my voltage with Zero degradation. end of story. custom water cooling shouldn't have much of an issue up to about 1.75v.

but again... notice vernacular.. Custom water cooling.. not your average overclock or you average water cooling kit will handle this on these chips.. takes some expertise with them.

I'll say this again, AMD has never published a MAX voltage, they have too many chips using the same die to do so.

Thx for clarification Flail.

thumb.gif For one final bit of clarification. Electronic migration is very much a real thing. SNDS was very much real.

So you are not wrong about the risks of electronic migration, BUT since Northwood there has been quite a few advances in this tech.

the shift from the 5v rail to the 12v rail helped this ALOT. Node advancements that was a MASSIVE MASSIVE node compared to modern nodes. Vishera is 32nm.. northwood was 120-130nm? It really was a different game back then

AMD is smart enough to know the limits of their design. I wouldn't question that the aspects that AMD mandates stay reference in values is a hard limit to keep this from happening within its expected life span.

this is likely why we never saw a Crosshair V extreme, they reach that limit with the CHVF(z), So yes the risk is real, but i've Faith in that AMD has this covered for the Expected lifespan of the chips.

Now.. back to what we are bout here.. let see what your chip can do in some benchies... And or top out with your cooling. smile.gif
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Ah I had similar 'bugs' when I messed with my NB and CPU on my 860K. Some OCs or maybe NB OCs led to my desktop Icons loading much slower. Maybe it's because their is instability/errors that is kind of alleviated by more cpu/nb voltage.

With 2400 NB, I tried up 1.25 CPU/NB. I didn't think 2400 should need any more than that, but maybe later I will try adding more to see if I can get rid of these quirks.

Recently I set my 1333 RAM up to 1600 again, this time with stock timings of 9-9-9-24 and 1.6v, and so far it is doing ok, (IBT "10 passes", and F@H "24 hr") needs more testing still. So I would like to try to OC the NB again. I wonder how much CPU/NB voltage might be average for 2600 NB? Or if its even worth it with RAM at 1600.
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With 2400 NB, I tried up 1.25 CPU/NB. I didn't think 2400 should need any more than that, but maybe later I will try adding more to see if I can get rid of these quirks.

Recently I set my 1333 RAM up to 1600 again, this time with stock timings of 9-9-9-24 and 1.6v, and so far it is doing ok, (IBT "10 passes", and F@H "24 hr") needs more testing still. So I would like to try to OC the NB again. I wonder how much CPU/NB voltage might be average for 2600 NB? Or if its even worth it with RAM at 1600.

Higher NB might boost the performance of the 1600MHz RAM but not sure if it's necessary to have 2600MHz for 1600MHz. i wouldn't know.

I was playing AC Unity and the game crashed when it never has before on stock settings and at 4.5GHz. So I raised the CPU Vcore a tiny bit. Still crashed. This time I dropped the NB to 2200MHz back from 2600MHz. It can be a sign of a unstable OC but I kind of doubt it because it lasted with Prime95 for ~8 hours. The game crashed at the same exact location so my guess it's a bug right? Everytime I go to the next part of a particular mission and I drop from the roof to where the NPC I need to speak is I crash to the Desktop before I even land on the ground. Everywhere else no crash. I guess I need to update the game finally, just have to wait until Sunday because I don't want to download gigabytes of updates on my bandwidth that is limited to 250GB.

This useless side panel should be good to mount my VRM fans


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@pshootr,
the symptoms you described are a NB/RAM issue. I see it when I'm really pushing things. I'll also lose my mouse or keyboard at times. Sounds like you will need more juice for the CPU_NB if you want to run at 2400. I wouldn't bother jacking it up too much for everyday use. You won't see much of a difference.
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thumb.gif For one final bit of clarification. Electronic migration is very much a real thing. SNDS was very much real.

So you are not wrong about the risks of electronic migration, BUT since Northwood there has been quite a few advances in this tech.

the shift from the 5v rail to the 12v rail helped this ALOT. Node advancements that was a MASSIVE MASSIVE node compared to modern nodes. Vishera is 32nm.. northwood was 120-130nm? It really was a different game back then

AMD is smart enough to know the limits of their design. I wouldn't question that the aspects that AMD mandates stay reference in values is a hard limit to keep this from happening within its expected life span.

this is likely why we never saw a Crosshair V extreme, they reach that limit with the CHVF(z), So yes the risk is real, but i've Faith in that AMD has this covered for the Expected lifespan of the chips.

Now.. back to what we are bout here.. let see what your chip can do in some benchies... And or top out with your cooling. smile.gif
yeah I think if I had that chip I would be aiming for 5.2 daily the temps are nice and low on that voltage...but since going water I want to push everything...and wish everything was water cooled at this point...

Slightly off topic all you guys running the r9 290 cards I've been reading reviews and comparisons between it and my 760gtx and it seems like a clear price performance winner expecially in sli...how many of you have owned a reference model and what were your thoughts on it before water and after...I'm looking to buy a couple of reference cards and water cool them a bit later
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Higher NB might boost the performance of the 1600MHz RAM but not sure if it's necessary to have 2600MHz for 1600MHz. i wouldn't know.

I was playing AC Unity and the game crashed when it never has before on stock settings and at 4.5GHz. So I raised the CPU Vcore a tiny bit. Still crashed. This time I dropped the NB to 2200MHz back from 2600MHz. It can be a sign of a unstable OC but I kind of doubt it because it lasted with Prime95 for ~8 hours. The game crashed at the same exact location so my guess it's a bug right? Everytime I go to the next part of a particular mission and I drop from the roof to where the NPC I need to speak is I crash to the Desktop before I even land on the ground. Everywhere else no crash. I guess I need to update the game finally, just have to wait until Sunday because I don't want to download gigabytes of updates on my bandwidth that is limited to 250GB.

Ok, thank you. Your problem does sound like a game issue. I hope you get it sorted out with updating it.
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Ok, thank you. Your problem does sound like a game issue. I hope you get it sorted out with updating it.
yeah that game is plagued with so many bugs it's sad really...could've been a really good game but like always these days studios are being forced to release games everyone can see aren't ready...I mean the kind of bugs we are seeing now a days are so obvious there's no way play testers missed them...
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I would think for the price difference between the 290 and the 970 I'd stick with the green team. Unless you're getting a killer deal on something.
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Samsung 850 Pro Dragon Extreme F1 Windows 7 / Vista /XP Superflower Leadex 
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Ryzen 5 1600x MSI x370 Titanium ASUS GTX980 DCII G.Skill Trident Z RGB  
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Phanteks Enthoo Luxe 
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Kingston Hyperx 3K Phobya Supernova 1260 Koolance 380a Win7 Pro 64 Leadex SuperFlower 1K 
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Banchetto 101 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 6700k Asus Maximus VIII Hero Evga GTX 980Ti K|NGP|N G.Skill TridentZ 3600 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Samsung 850 Pro Dragon Extreme F1 Windows 7 / Vista /XP Superflower Leadex 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 5 1600x MSI x370 Titanium ASUS GTX980 DCII G.Skill Trident Z RGB  
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Phanteks Enthoo Luxe 
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