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Unless you do things that are very RAM-dependent, a GPU is the best choice.

I still keep my Vengeance from 1600 MHZ to 2088 MHZ though (can't go over, because it doesn't matter how much loose the timings are, I will NOT get RAM stable above 2088 MHZ for some unknown reason)

Well from 1333 to 1600 with the same timings I gain like 3-5 points in CINEBENCH. hehe

So ya, figure out the value in that.

1333=713

1600=718

If cost is a factor, then that is not a very good trade off biggrin.gif
Edited by pshootr - 1/16/15 at 9:45pm
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I'm lucky to have my puny 1333 at 1600, thanks to the FX's IMC.

These sticks would max out at 1466 on a PII chip.
Edited by pshootr - 1/16/15 at 9:50pm
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I ran my Phenom II X6 1055T with 16GB of DDR 1333MHz RAM I bought for ~$50-60 back in 2010ish. Occasionally I ran it at 1600MHz but didn't because of some instability. Years later I learned that I should have raised the voltage. Near the end of last year I was able to OC the Corsair XMS3 to 2133MHz but was a bit unstable. Ended up running them on 1866 until I bought my 2400MHz RAM. In your position I would just look for getting another R9 290 first. You can always wait for a good deal on higher speeds like 2400MHz on sale. You'll be able to find 2133MHz/2400MHz 4GB DIMMS at 1600MHz or lower prices on sales on Newegg occasionally. This is if you can purchase from the egg.

Now that my fans are installed I tried 4.8GHz with the same 1.39/1.404v and p95 failed around 30 minutes. Raised the vcore by .025 and going to see how it goes.

.:edit:.

Passed 2 hours of Prime95, so now I'm going to go to sleep and leave it on. 4.8GHz @1.425V. The temps are a little higher compared to 4.7GHz @1.404V. Core Temps is 56C, Socket Temp is 63C and Thermal Margin is ~12-15C
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Guys. I know it is OT but I am looking for a new fan controller. I have 13 or so fans I want to control and the poor built in controller that ships with the Phantom820 just can't handle them so well. Any ideas?

I made a new thread for it if you guys want to input.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1536463/looking-for-a-new-fan-controller/0_40
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One very important question for those which understands RAM better then me.

What impact on stability have overvoltage on IMC?
For example,my RAM is rated 1,5v and 1333mhz
I use it at 1,65v and 1600mhz



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One very important question for those which understands RAM better then me.

What impact on stability have overvoltage on IMC?
For example,my RAM is rated 1,5v and 1333mhz
I use it at 1,65v and 1600mhz



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You're talking about your ram not the IMC which is located in the CPU right? 1.5v-1.75 is safe for daily use. If the ram gets warm just point a fan on it. JEDEC is a standard set for RAM modules and they state
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JEDEC states that memory modules must withstand up to 1.975 volts before incurring permanent damage, although they are not required to function correctly at that level.
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According to JEDEC,[3] 1.575 volts should be considered the absolute maximum when memory stability is the foremost consideration, such as in servers or other mission-critical devices

Now manyy run ram higher than 1.575v but we're not controlling the space shuttle either. Most ram kits in the 2000+ range have a rated voltage of 1.65v to work poperly at that speed and timing set.
In the end it'll come down to the ram itself, whether or not you can keep it stable at a certain speed/voltage/timing set. When I'm tuning ram for benching a trick I use is testing with AIDA64 then bump the ram voltage by .01v and test again if the score improves then I do it again until it flat lines or drops in performance. If you look at voltage like a frequency instead of power it makes it easier to understand how raising it works. Frequencies have highs and lows in the wave, and what they do is hand off electrons. If the voltageis the right speed it alings better with the frequency of the ram and the hand off is more efficient giving an increase in performance . If they're slightly off from one another then sometimes the electron is missed which causes a small pause as that one is sent again . so raising voltage speeds up the frequency and lowering it does the opposite. Think of a relay race and handing off a baton, timing is crucial.

I know I got a bit long winded on that one, hope that helps.
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My Kingston HyperX Blue 1600MHz with timings 9-9-9-27 1T 1.65V can overclock to 2400MHz 10-12-12-34 1T 1.67V and are stable and on their bench





Edited by mirzet1976 - 1/17/15 at 6:18am
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I'm sure this has been said in this thread and others many times but I need help or suggestions on what programs I should use to measure my temperatures. Currently I am using HWMonitor (Package = Core, CPU = Socket); Core Temp (CPU #0 = Core); HWInfo64 (CPU = Socket, CPU 0/Package = Core);AOD (Thermal Margins). They all seem to give out the same/correct numbers but I will take suggestions on better software. Next I need to know what are my acceptable temperatures when I am stressing my CPU with 100% Load with programs like Prime95, OCCT, AIDA64, and IBT in the future? I woke up and saw that my CPU did not fail midway through the overnight Prime95 run. It's just that 4.8GHz @1.425 the Core Temps was at ~59C while Socket Temps were at the same 63C I saw last night/early morning before I went to sleep.

I'm trying to see if I have any thermal room to OC a bit more like 4.9 or 5GHz for gaming uses, Thermal Margin was anywhere from 12-15C before I slept and from 11-13C when I woke up. The socket temp hasn't risen as much like the core temps (probably due to the VRM cooling next to the socket. The next OC increase will be after I add a few more case fans and fan behind the socket (at least the fan behind the socket). If temps are too high I'll probably try undervolting at 4GHz.

4.5GHz 1.356V ~45C Core, 55C Socket (Wasn't a long P95 run)
4.7GHz 1.404V ~50/51C Core, 60/61C Socket (8 Hour Prime 95)
4.8GHz 1.428V ~56/59C Core, 63C Socket (8 Hour 45 Min Prime 95)
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My Kingston HyperX Blue 1600MHz with timings 9-9-9-27 1T 1.65V can overclock to 2400MHz 10-12-12-34 1T 1.67V and are stable and on their bench





Nice scores
I've had a few kingston sets rated at those timings and frequencies, they worked very well for phenom II rigs as I could get 6-6-6 timings at 1600+ mhz on 1T command rate.
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72 C on the Cores, 80 for the Socket.

Are you brave enough to run it there? If so, that's probably where most suggest you to. Blips can happen but you can allow up to 75C for the cores.

Aida64 Stability Test for Monitoring. Polling time is a bit slower but gives you a graphical representation instead of max and minimum Values.

You can also display CPU-NB temps which before, is a CHV-FZ exclusive feature.

OCCT is also a great tool. Temps, Voltages, Stability Test.
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