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@cssorkinman, what was the highest stable clock you got with your 8370E?

The chip itself is probably capable of 5.5 + daily clocks on phase change with at good board. It's hit 5.8+ on cold water for validation purposes only , and it's ran 8 threaded benches at 5.6 on with that cold water.
I really do think that your board, cooling or perhaps a reluctance to push higher voltages ( maybe you have tried , haven't been paying real close attention.) that is holding you back. The 8320 I had would do most anything short of prime 95 at 5 ghz on the CHVz and custom loop. 7 of the 8 cores would prime at 5ghz , the one would fail almost immediately, the rest would crank along just fine.
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post #45812 of 67883
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it's not your chip that is the problem. But you are likely at the limit of your cooling and near the limit for your motherboard as well. The ASRock boards are known for not having the best power systems out there. And You have a high end dual tower air cooler. Well they normally top out in the 4.6 to 4.7Ghz range. So you seem to be right on the money there.

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Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

The chip itself is probably capable of 5.5 + daily clocks on phase change with at good board. It's hit 5.8+ on cold water for validation purposes only , and it's ran 8 threaded benches at 5.6 on with that cold water.
I really do think that your board, cooling or perhaps a reluctance to push higher voltages ( maybe you have tried , haven't been paying real close attention.) that is holding you back. The 8320 I had would do most anything short of prime 95 at 5 ghz on the CHVz and custom loop. 7 of the 8 cores would prime at 5ghz , the one would fail almost immediately, the rest would crank along just fine.

I know that I would need H2o for stress testing above 4.7-4.8. But I really think I have another limiting factor. When I try 4.7 with 1.46v-1.5v, IBT will freeze before I see 50C on the socket (within seconds). At 4.6 with 1.384v-1.4v it takes a couple minutes to reach 56C with IBT. It seems like if temp was my only issue at 4.7+, then I would see like 50C-60C+ before the freeze. At anything above 4.6 IBT will freeze within several seconds (before it even has a chance to get hot). Another member here has a 8320E on high end air, running 4.8 with 66C (I believe) under heavy load.

I have tried 1.525v and I freeze immediately after boot up. I have tried 1.375v on CPU/NB, does not help. I really think it is the chip. It could be my board, but hard to believe because it has a 12+2 VRM set.

I have run short tests successfully at 4.8 with 4 cores enabled (2 modules). But when I went to 4 cores (1 per module) I was back to freezing. That led me to believe one of the latter modules was the culprit.
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post #45813 of 67883
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it's not your chip that is the problem. But you are likely at the limit of your cooling and near the limit for your motherboard as well. The ASRock boards are known for not having the best power systems out there. And You have a high end dual tower air cooler. Well they normally top out in the 4.6 to 4.7Ghz range. So you seem to be right on the money there.

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Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

The chip itself is probably capable of 5.5 + daily clocks on phase change with at good board. It's hit 5.8+ on cold water for validation purposes only , and it's ran 8 threaded benches at 5.6 on with that cold water.
I really do think that your board, cooling or perhaps a reluctance to push higher voltages ( maybe you have tried , haven't been paying real close attention.) that is holding you back. The 8320 I had would do most anything short of prime 95 at 5 ghz on the CHVz and custom loop. 7 of the 8 cores would prime at 5ghz , the one would fail almost immediately, the rest would crank along just fine.

I know that I would need H2o for stress testing above 4.7-4.8. But I really think I have another limiting factor. When I try 4.7 with 1.46v-1.5v, IBT will freeze before I see 50C on the socket (within seconds). At 4.6 with 1.384v-1.4v it takes a couple minutes to reach 56C with IBT. It seems like if temp was my only issue at 4.7+, then I would see like 50C-60C+ before the freeze. At anything above 4.6 IBT will freeze within several seconds (before it even has a chance to get hot). Another member here has a 8320E on high end air, running 4.8 with 66C (I believe) under heavy load.

I have tried 1.525v and I freeze immediately after boot up. I have tried 1.375v on CPU/NB, does not help. I really think it is the chip. It could be my board, but hard to believe because it has a 12+2 VRM set.

I have run short tests successfully at 4.8 with 4 cores enabled (2 modules). But when I went to 4 cores (1 per module) I was back to freezing. That led me to believe one of the latter modules was the culprit.

It's possible the chip has a bum core, but I haven't had one yet that wouldn't run 5 ghz on benches etc.

New chip today, they seem to be getting better all the time
http://valid.canardpc.com/mmqqdh Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Upon review, I'm nearly certain it's heat that is your problem, the E chips are very voltage sensitive.
Edited by cssorkinman - 1/26/15 at 3:52pm
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post #45814 of 67883
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It's possible the chip has a bum core, but I haven't had one yet that wouldn't run 5 ghz on benches etc.

New chip today, they seem to be getting better all the time
http://valid.canardpc.com/mmqqdh Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Upon review, I'm nearly certain it's heat that is your problem, the E chips are very voltage sensitive.

Is that 8370 you just got an E chip? Have you tried IBT yet?
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It's possible the chip has a bum core, but I haven't had one yet that wouldn't run 5 ghz on benches etc.

New chip today, they seem to be getting better all the time
http://valid.canardpc.com/mmqqdh Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Upon review, I'm nearly certain it's heat that is your problem, the E chips are very voltage sensitive.

Is that 8370 you just got an E chip? Have you tried IBT yet?

Not an E chip , although I have one of those also. No IBT yet.
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I have been running prime95 for 5 minutes at 4.6 with 1.384v, and my core just now got to 59C. (After 10 minutes it is still 59C)

So at 1.46v lets say, how could I be overheating within seconds? There is no way 1.46v is making my core temp go above 60C in less time than the temp software updates. I never see 50C when it freezes because it happens so fast.
Edited by pshootr - 1/26/15 at 6:06pm
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I think one of the modules just dosn't like voltage past 1.4v

Now it has been 15 minutes, and I see 60C on core.
Edited by pshootr - 1/26/15 at 6:12pm
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I think one of the modules just dosn't like voltage past 1.4v

Now it has been 15 minutes, and I see 60C on core.

ahem
ITS THE HEEEAAAAAAATTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!
lol
yes, yes it is.

Edit: In other news , I snagged some Avexir Blitz ram and I have to say it is most impressive Cl 11 1 T command rate at...... 2769 mhz... oh my
http://hwbot.org/submission/2745540_cssorkinmanocn_memory_clock_ddr3_sdram_1384.6_mhz?recalculate=true

Not sure what maximum stable will end up being, but within 10 minutes of installing this stuff , I managed that validation.
Edited by cssorkinman - 1/26/15 at 6:32pm
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ahem
ITS THE HEEEAAAAAAATTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!
lol
yes, yes it is.

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Not sure what maximum stable will end up being, but within 10 minutes of installing this stuff , I managed that validation.

You do realize it took 5 minutes of Prime95 to reach 59C with 1.384v rite? And it takes like 3 seconds to freeze with 1.4v+
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ahem
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http://hwbot.org/submission/2745540_cssorkinmanocn_memory_clock_ddr3_sdram_1384.6_mhz?recalculate=true

Not sure what maximum stable will end up being, but within 10 minutes of installing this stuff , I managed that validation.

You do realize it took 5 minutes of Prime95 to reach 59C with 1.384v rite? And it takes like 3 seconds to freeze with 1.4v+

Yes and my answer is still you need better cooling.
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