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An AIO would offer better temps than Air Coolers. Just my 2cents.gif

I got hooked on watercooling when someone sold me a 240 mm kit for about $100 on local trade site. You can try the OCN Marketplace as some users get rid of their stuff for a lot less money.

Now grabbing things piece by piece with the most recent addition of 2 - 480mm HW Black Ice GTXs. If ever you wanna bit the bullet, I think it's better for you to piece things out and not rush on things. It's an expensive hobby when you buy things without a lot of thinking prior to purchasing. Think about the priorities, looks, etc. So you won't end up wasting components you might not like. thumb.gif

The best AIO unit only runs 2C lower during load than High quality air. Although that is probably tested in open air and not inside a case.

If I was going to get a loop, I would likely go with an XSPC kit for simplicity and value.
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The best AIO unit only runs 2C lower during load than High quality air. Although that is probably tested in open air and not inside a case.

If I was going to get a loop, I would likely go with an XSPC kit for simplicity and value.

Sorry bud, Air Coolers don't stand a chance with good AIOs.

Like I said, I started with a slim 240mm rad. I also have a Silver Arrow before that.

My SA was holding my chip more than 65C AIDA Test at 1.488 Vcore. Switching to a Loop, that went down to 55C.

That Allowed me to go for a 1.55 Vcore. biggrin.gif AIO would perform less than an equivalent loop, but not that much.

Also note that, most reviews test coolers with mainstream CPUs. 3770K, 4770K, 4970K etc. that were known to be hideous with cooling due to their LID and TIM interfaces. An FX scales better with coolers than the chips I mentioned. As an example, my 3570K would rocket to 90C at 1.35 VCore. That's with a 360mm rad. tongue.gif
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You aren't going to get any love here. Doyll over in the air cooling forum has a good chart showing how top air stacks up against AIOs. I can never find it but the Swiftech 240 is the best AIO and it is the only one better at cooling that top air.
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You aren't going to get any love here. Doyll over in the air cooling forum has a good chart showing how top air stacks up against AIOs. I can never find it but the Swiftech 240 is the best AIO and it is the only one better at cooling that top air.

I will now shut up if that's what you want. But just a question, have you tested your set-up against liquid cooling?

I have. Period.

If you wanna bring up proper air flow to the equation, sorry, tested mine as well. OPEN AIR with a HOUSEHOLD fan blowing fresh air to my rig. NOT a closed case scenario.

If you wanna bring up poor mount, sorry again, I lapped my CPU and me SA base that dropped 10C.

But since you are keen on your concept, I will shut up. Just do yourself a favor and test first.
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Sorry bud, Air Coolers don't stand a chance with good AIOs.

Like I said, I started with a slim 240mm rad. I also have a Silver Arrow before that.

My SA was holding my chip more than 65C AIDA Test at 1.488 Vcore. Switching to a Loop, that went down to 55C.

That Allowed me to go for a 1.55 Vcore. biggrin.gif AIO would perform less than an equivalent loop, but not that much.

Also note that, most reviews test coolers with mainstream CPUs. 3770K, 4770K, 4970K etc. that were known to be hideous with cooling due to their LID and TIM interfaces. An FX scales better with coolers than the chips I mentioned. As an example, my 3570K would rocket to 90C at 1.35 VCore. That's with a 360mm rad. tongue.gif

No matter what cpu, thermal output still means heat. So any cpu tested with two coolers shows the advantage or disadvantage. However in this test, I must correct myself because the best AIO here is 4C cooler than the R1 (not 2C). 4C is a good advantage I think for an AIO.



I think I get what your saying now about FX scaling with coolers though. It would be nice to see the test done with an FX chip at 1.44v or higher for that reason.
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@mus1mus, how satisfied are you with your EX360, and would you get the same kit if you had to do it over again? It looks like you opted to add the ek dcp 4.0 after you got the kit? I assume this was two fold, one because the ek dcp 4.0 is a better pump, and two because 2x pumps is more fail safe.
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I would leave it here,
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@mus1mus, how satisfied are you with your EX360, and would you get the same kit if you had to do it over again? It looks like you opted to add the ek dcp 4.0 after you got the kit? I assume this was two fold, one because the ek dcp 4.0 is a better pump, and two because 2x pumps is more fail safe.

It's not a kit mate. That EX 360 replaced the 240mm I started from. And the Pump was an Add-on to provide more pressure to the 750 XSPC Pump.

That EX can keep my FX cool up to 70C a bit higher than 1.55 IIRC. With 1300 RPM Fans in Push-Pull. The same set-up sanz the pump cannot keep an i5 cool at 4.5 1.35 tongue.gif. Would you even believe that? kookoo.gif

Now if you can find a comparison between air coolers and AIOs, look for this keywords: Socket 2011, Intel i7-39; 49; 59; coz that will show you a better picture.

2 Pumps in serial will be better than one 100% of the time. More Head Pressure, more Reliable.
THat DCP is dead. D5s FTW. thumb.gif
Edited by mus1mus - 2/1/15 at 7:55pm
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I would leave it here,
It's not a kit mate. That EX 360 replaced the 240mm I started from. And the Pump was an Add-on to provide more pressure to the 750 XSPC Pump.

That EX can keep my FX cool up to 70C a bit higher than 1.55 IIRC. With 1300 RPM Fans in Push-Pull. The same set-up sanz the pump cannot keep an i5 cool at 4.5 1.35 tongue.gif. Would you even believe that? kookoo.gif

Now if you can find a comparison between air coolers and AIOs, look for this keywords: Socket 2011, Intel i7-39; 49; 59; coz that will show you a better picture.

2 Pumps in serial will be better than one 100% of the time. More Head Pressure, more Reliable.
THat DCP is dead. D5s FTW. thumb.gif

Ah ok I see. Thanks for the clarification man smile.gif
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Why do you have to start me thinking about it?

5.0GHz = $110 Silver Arrow
1150 Core on air
red17766970cosmosnewhom.jpg


5.3GHz
1300 Core = $2200




Ya gotta love it, or be nuts. biggrin.gif


2200 dollar only for cooling??

Where do you get your parts from tongue.gif

That is more than i payed for my entire rig biggrin.gif

I added it up and came up with:

 

40mmx120mmx360mm-105.00
40mmx120mmx240mm-80.00
40mmx120mmx240mm-80.00
40mmx120mmx120mm-35.00
40mmx140mmx140mm-50.00
EK VGA FC x4                 -520.00
CPU Block                       -100.00
D5 Pumps X                   -450.00
Pump tops                     -150.00
fans                               -250.00
tube                               -35.00
fittings                           - 250.00

Reservoir                        -119.00

Parallel Bridge                 -75.00

 

=$2299.00


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No worries.

I did picked up a kit though. A 480mm Alphacool XT/D5. I thought I could come out saving. But naah.

I didn't use the fittings as they are smaller than I wanted my tubes to be, I pulled out the D5 and used another Reservoir as filling the Bay-Res, a PITA. I also set aside the fans for the i5 HTPC.

I'd suggest you take the path slow so you're not wasting money. thumb.gif IF EVER.
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