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I added it up and came up with:

40mmx120mmx360mm-105.00

40mmx120mmx240mm-80.00

40mmx120mmx240mm-80.00

40mmx120mmx120mm-35.00

40mmx140mmx140mm-50.00

EK VGA FC x4                 -520.00

CPU Block                       -100.00

D5 Pumps X                   -450.00

Pump tops                     -150.00

fans                               -250.00

tube                               -35.00

fittings                           - 250.00
Reservoir                        -119.00
Parallel Bridge                 -75.00

=$2299.00

Ya I seen his setup in another thread. And ya, Yikes.. That is a very sweet setup though eek.gif
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No worries.

I did picked up a kit though. A 480mm Alphacool XT/D5. I thought I could come out saving. But naah.

I didn't use the fittings as they are smaller than I wanted my tubes to be, I pulled out the D5 and used another Reservoir as filling the Bay-Res, a PITA. I also set aside the fans for the i5 HTPC.

I'd suggest you take the path slow so you're not wasting money. thumb.gif IF EVER.

Yeah I get what your saying. Although I usually get anxious and tend to be a bit compulsive, this is one area I think I would be slow and cool about it if ever comes to it. lol. Thanks for the tip. wink.gif
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@ pshooter
A couple things about FX and 2400 ram. In my opinion, you can run 2400 but 1866-2133 is better suited for the CPU. You won't see any real gains with the faster ram over tighter timings on slower ram. Especially not in day to day use. It will likely make your current OC harder to stabilize and need a bit more Volts. Then toss in 16Gb and it just gets harder. Unless you're using software like benji ( adobe, vid editing, recoding) that'll actually utilize that much ram you're just throwing money away and making things harder on yourself. 16Gb is harder on the IMC even at 1600 let alone at 2400.
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I'm thinking that's it, it has about a 20% handicap on read speeds, compared to the beasts.

I would wholeheartedly agree, pshooter would be better off with a low cl set at 2133.

Based on this information, I think I will look at 8Gb 2133 kits. If I end up wanting 16Gb for Star-Citizen, then I guess I could always get a second 8Gb kit. So far I am looking at Gskill Sniper series 2133, the timings seem good and apparently they can run at 2400 if desired.

So what do you think about the kit mentioned above? And would your recommendation change at all if I were to concider the CHV instead of the Sabertooth?

Thanks a lot for the input guys.

Snipers are a nice stick , I've used the slightly lower bin version (ares) my 2133 11-11-11 kit topped out at 2450ish.

only thing that should sway you towards a CHV over a saber kitty would be access to rare more limited run memory.. super high end stuff,

IIRC the saber kitty isn't missing much in terms of ram options.
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I have the sniper and it will clock quite high my best for stableish benching was 2510 10-12-11

nice timings.. my ares would do 10-13-11 @2450mhz ish, needed a ton of voltage to do it tho

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I have the sniper and it will clock quite high my best for stableish benching was 2510 10-12-11

Nice. So the sniper kit I mentioned would perhaps be my best choice for all reasons considered? What if I were to get a CHV-z, would you still recommend I stick with the 2133 MHz kits?

Also, Micro Center is the only site I found who has the CHV-z in stock for a reasonable price. Are they a good seller? I noticed that they only allow returns on the board within 15 days.

Stick with a 2133 kit, its gskill they will overclock if your cpu can do it and you can figure out what your chip needs to do it.

and i must say 15 days isn't much time with a board of that caliber. very easy to get frustrated in this time and give up on the board.
especially if you are still air cooling.
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It has a lot to do with his board. AMD will run fast ram with a good chip. Sometimes it'll run the same ram higher than an intel will, I think cause it (the ram) doesn't have to work as hard.
@ pshooter
A couple things about FX and 2400 ram. In my opinion, you can run 2400 but 1866-2133 is better suited for the CPU. You won't see any real gains with the faster ram over tighter timings on slower ram. Especially not in day to day use. It will likely make your current OC harder to stabilize and need a bit more Volts. Then toss in 16Gb and it just gets harder. Unless you're using software like benji ( adobe, vid editing, recoding) that'll actually utilize that much ram you're just throwing money away and making things harder on yourself. 16Gb is harder on the IMC even at 1600 let alone at 2400.

I decided to go with the CHV-z mainly because I like tweaking things and don't want to look back with regret.

I have went back and forth with 8Gb vs 16Gb kits, and think I would rather get 16Gb in hopes of being more future proof even if it means more tweaking or even sacrificing a little on an OC. I would prefer a low profile kit.

I am looking at these kits.

1866 HyperX Fury Black Series


1866 HyperX Savage 16GB

2133 HyperX Savage 16GB

I like the second kit for the cl9, but it does come at a premium.

Do you guys have any suggestions?

Know of any cheaper 1600 kits that will OC well?

what do you intend to do that you feel that 8gb will be insufficient for?

my CHVFZ didn't like the hyperX beasts i got initially, that is my only experience, but i've noticed others doing well with them (hyperx sticks that is)
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I really can't get too excited about CL11 2133 thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

Yeah thats very true. But even the sniper kits are 42mm tall. I guess that not a huge deal, but even with my 40mm ripjaws I have to offset my front CPU fan several mm towards the window of the case. I would prefer to not have to do that. And from what I have seen, small differences in cl or speed don't really have a big impact on performance. I like the Trident-X kits, but enen with the fins removed they still look big.

Can you recommend any low profile kits? Seems like one of the 1866 or 2133 Hyper-X kits may be the better choice?

Edit:

Or perhaps I should just deal with the 40mm height and go with these G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB

DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000)
Timing 9-11-11
Cas Latency 9
Voltage 1.6V

I can never make up my mind lol. At least I finally ordered a board though tongue.gif

Get the tallest ram you can, and a waterblock wink.gif

QFT, My mighty tridents like where they are very much so.
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Snipers are a nice stick , I've used the slightly lower bin version (ares) my 2133 11-11-11 kit topped out at 2450ish.

only thing that should sway you towards a CHV over a saber kitty would be access to rare more limited run memory.. super high end stuff,

IIRC the saber kitty isn't missing much in terms of ram options.
nice timings.. my ares would do 10-13-11 @2450mhz ish, needed a ton of voltage to do it tho
Stick with a 2133 kit, its gskill they will overclock if your cpu can do it and you can figure out what your chip needs to do it.

and i must say 15 days isn't much time with a board of that caliber. very easy to get frustrated in this time and give up on the board.
especially if you are still air cooling.
what do you intend to do that you feel that 8gb will be insufficient for?

my CHVFZ didn't like the hyperX beasts i got initially, that is my only experience, but i've noticed others doing well with them (hyperx sticks that is)
QFT, My mighty tridents like where they are very much so.

I ordered the Trident-x 2400 despite the size/cost (can remove the fins). I can run them lower if I have too, and they provide nice timings at pretty much any speed. I got 16GB because future games like Star Citizen and or others may benefit from it, and I can leave 9 tabs open on Fire-Fox and just minimize it before I start a game (instead of closing it first and losing all my tabs). I can also record or stream if I want and not worry as much about having enough RAM. Plus in the future I may decide that I want to run some kind of crazy software, who knows.

The CHVZ was on a decent sale with fast cheap shipping $11.99 for next day shipping. But ya the 15 day thing bugs me. Although new-egg can not seem to keep them in stock. So my options were not very good.

Thanks for reading and replying smile.gif
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Couple weeks ago I passed IBT 20 runs very high at 4.6, then a few days later failed. Then tonight it failed again So tonight I went in to bios and changed a few things and IBT passed with more consistent Gflops than I am used to. I suppose I should run it a few more times just to see if it keeps passing. I enabled C6-State, and I upped a couple voltages. You can see the voltage values in F-Stream. This board recognizes my chip correctly but it sets my HT speed to 2200 instead of 2600. So I am wondering what else it may not be setting correctly. I don't remember all the default voltages that were set, but you can see where they were bumped up to. NB 1.160v, HT 1.200v


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My loop was around $300 or so and I'm very pleased with it, saw no need to throw the gpu in seeing as the stock cooling works quite well (stock fan was meh though).

I mean on a H100i i could do 5.0 stable but it was warmer than id like so instead of forking out for another AIO i went water, no regrets now biggrin.gif

well that's more than enough to cool the CPU i guess, i like my cooler very much and the performance is outstanding but the only thing i don't like is NOISE.

Man, this thing sounds like an airplane that takes of at full blast. I did a lot of research on better fans on this very high density rad but it seems that the only fans that are working correct with it are or the standard loud fans or some higher static pressure fans that are even louder tongue.gif

I would like to have a custom loop for my CPU with an low density rad so i can mount quiet fans on it in order to keep the noise down under full load but i just cannot justify the high price only because of noise.

I run 5Ghz stable now and i am fine with it, going any higher than this is just not necessary and the performance does not scale with CPU frequency. If i want some more performance i just buy more ram and overclock it to 2400 or so. Haven't seen much gain from 1866 to 2400 but some say that some games and applications can benefit from faster ram speeds.
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My loop was around $300 or so and I'm very pleased with it, saw no need to throw the gpu in seeing as the stock cooling works quite well (stock fan was meh though).

I mean on a H100i i could do 5.0 stable but it was warmer than id like so instead of forking out for another AIO i went water, no regrets now biggrin.gif

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I added it up and came up with:

40mmx120mmx360mm-105.00

40mmx120mmx240mm-80.00

40mmx120mmx240mm-80.00

40mmx120mmx120mm-35.00

40mmx140mmx140mm-50.00

EK VGA FC x4                 -520.00

CPU Block                       -100.00

D5 Pumps X                   -450.00

Pump tops                     -150.00

fans                               -250.00

tube                               -35.00

fittings                           - 250.00
Reservoir                        -119.00
Parallel Bridge                 -75.00

=$2299.00


wow, really? 5 rads? tongue.gif

If i go custom loop i want a huge 480mm low density rad mounted on the back of my case with a bracket.

Or perhaps on the top of my case, its not only going to look nice but as for maximum cooling its the best option IMO.
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My loop was around $300 or so and I'm very pleased with it, saw no need to throw the gpu in seeing as the stock cooling works quite well (stock fan was meh though).

I mean on a H100i i could do 5.0 stable but it was warmer than id like so instead of forking out for another AIO i went water, no regrets now biggrin.gif

well that's more than enough to cool the CPU i guess, i like my cooler very much and the performance is outstanding but the only thing i don't like is NOISE.

Man, this thing sounds like an airplane that takes of at full blast. I did a lot of research on better fans on this very high density rad but it seems that the only fans that are working correct with it are or the standard loud fans or some higher static pressure fans that are even louder tongue.gif

I would like to have a custom loop for my CPU with an low density rad so i can mount quiet fans on it in order to keep the noise down under full load but i just cannot justify the high price only because of noise.

I run 5Ghz stable now and i am fine with it, going any higher than this is just not necessary and the performance does not scale with CPU frequency. If i want some more performance i just buy more ram and overclock it to 2400 or so. Haven't seen much gain from 1866 to 2400 but some say that some games and applications can benefit from faster ram speeds.

Well it's $150 for the EX240mm kit then another $70 for the VRM/NB Block, then $50 for another 240mm rad plus some red tubing and a couple more barb fittings so around $300 all up

Not counting fans as these are pricy and not everyone might want them.

mind you results are pretty good:


But the other good thing is obviously i can carry over alot of the pieces to newer builds, Rads, Pump/Res, Tubing, CPU Block (provided AMD doesn't change the layout) and obviously not the MB Block tongue.gif
 
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Well it's $150 for the EX240mm kit then another $70 for the VRM/NB Block, then $50 for another 240mm rad plus some red tubing and a couple more barb fittings so around $300 all up

Not counting fans as these are pricy and not everyone might want them.

mind you results are pretty good:


But the other good thing is obviously i can carry over alot of the pieces to newer builds, Rads, Pump/Res, Tubing, CPU Block (provided AMD doesn't change the layout) and obviously not the MB Block tongue.gif

Nice setup you got there dude, nice temps thumb.gif

The most expensive parts are the compression fittings. IF i go custom loop and that's a big IF, i will only go with bitspower black sparkle because i like the looks of them and they seem to be the best on the market.

I really like this guys build and how he explains how and what. He makes one of the best build log vids i seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPyJhCNefME
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Musimus: If I remember correctly you live in a hot environment. In my experience with older stock rigs they start getting wonky above a certain temperature. If I lived where you do I would be on water too. You need radiators and lots of them.

On the other hand I live in a temperature controlled environment where it stays 22-23C year round. In this situation air cooling works well and water cooling is an expensive luxury.


Sgt Bilko: Look at that vcore! None of my CPUs will run that low. They need 1.428 vcore minimum.
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Musimus: If I remember correctly you live in a hot environment. In my experience with older stock rigs they start getting wonky above a certain temperature. If I lived where you do I would be on water too. You need radiators and lots of them.

On the other hand I live in a temperature controlled environment where it stays 22-23C year round. In this situation air cooling works well and water cooling is an expensive luxury.


Sgt Bilko: Look at that vcore! None of my CPUs will run that low. They need 1.428 vcore minimum.

Thanks mate but im back at bone stock for the moment, anything more is just wasted heat at this time of year smile.gif

But this 9590 seems like a decent chip so far, i really need a full day or two to knuckle down and get a proper overclock sorted out wink.gif

And yeah Mus is in a warm and humid part of the world, i don't envy him for that....it gets warm where i am but not that humid tongue.gif
 
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Thanks mate but im back at bone stock for the moment, anything more is just wasted heat at this time of year smile.gif

But this 9590 seems like a decent chip so far, i really need a full day or two to knuckle down and get a proper overclock sorted out wink.gif

And yeah Mus is in a warm and humid part of the world, i don't envy him for that....it gets warm where i am but not that humid tongue.gif

I envy you man, its cold and very very humid in Holland.. I hate the cold so i guess i am born at the wrong side of the planet tongue.gif
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