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guise.... I called this months and months ago... before hurricane got his 970 to put a time frame to it.

combined appears to be intentionally gimping CMT, with little to no reason.. Alot of games don't favor CMT but they don't gimp it either. the combined aspect of firestrike is an unrealistic benchmark for the real world comparison side by side.

Still want that Usage during combined screen shot?

Yep, i remember the convo vaguely. I was quite confused as to why the FX chips were worse than i5's and Thuban' s in combined when they were way above in the rest as well so i did some digging......i got that tweet around August sometime so probably around then but yeah.

It sucks redface.gif
 
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guise.... I called this months and months ago... before hurricane got his 970 to put a time frame to it.

combined appears to be intentionally gimping CMT, with little to no reason.. Alot of games don't favor CMT but they don't gimp it either. the combined aspect of firestrike is an unrealistic benchmark for the real world comparison side by side.

Still want that Usage during combined screen shot?

Yep, i remember the convo vaguely. I was quite confused as to why the FX chips were worse than i5's and Thuban' s in combined when they were way above in the rest as well so i did some digging......i got that tweet around August sometime so probably around then but yeah.

It sucks redface.gif

but does it really suck?

i see it as another case of cinebench.. only truly effects those interested in the numbered result.

in real everyday scenario this isn't a limiting factor,and the odd case when it is, it doesn't really limit it that much or anywhere nearly as bad as 3DM marks it seem

imho try are trying to appeze too many market segments with the same benchmark. from mid to high end mainstream processor to the very high end and then you have the stubborn low end processor owners that try regardless.

they sell a product, and they want to make sure that product gets something in results even if quite bias in result.
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guise.... I called this months and months ago... before hurricane got his 970 to put a time frame to it.

combined appears to be intentionally gimping CMT, with little to no reason.. Alot of games don't favor CMT but they don't gimp it either. the combined aspect of firestrike is an unrealistic benchmark for the real world comparison side by side.

Still want that Usage during combined screen shot?

Yep, i remember the convo vaguely. I was quite confused as to why the FX chips were worse than i5's and Thuban' s in combined when they were way above in the rest as well so i did some digging......i got that tweet around August sometime so probably around then but yeah.

It sucks redface.gif

but does it really suck?

i see it as another case of cinebench.. only truly effects those interested in the numbered result.

in real everyday scenario this isn't a limiting factor,and the odd case when it is, it doesn't really limit it that much or anywhere nearly as bad as 3DM marks it seem

imho try are trying to appeze too many market segments with the same benchmark. from mid to high end mainstream processor to the very high end and then you have the stubborn low end processor owners that try regardless.

they sell a product, and they want to make sure that product gets something in results even if quite bias in result.

Touché and rep given smile.gif

You are right.....it doesn't affect real world results and its not going to make me by a new CPU/Platform (least till Summit Ridge anyways tongue.gif )

In the end my fps is smooth and my gameplay is enjoyable.

I guess i find it more annoying than sucky as the chip is being limited on what the programming defines as a core (then again nothing new there)

Either way the FX chips are still great performers and I'm happy with mine smile.gif
 
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I'm with all that said above...... But in a world where benchmarks are a handshake and a "hello, this is what i can benchpress," my x6 beats i5's in firestrike constantly, and will best visheras IF the physics score isn't high enough to make up for the low combined score, which is usually around the 4.8-5ghz mark....
I'm not naive enough to believe my system is that powerful, but I'm also very curious about the way that entire benchmark is coded now..... Could it be that it was in development 4 years ago, and in order to build something more appropriate for processors running several cores by the time it was complete (since in the early stages of development it was possibly theorized that all CPUs would be 6+ actual cores soon enough) that the tests were built for and tested on AMD x6 and high end 6 core Intel CPUs?
Seriously..think about it... I bet they didn't count on the fx using 4 modules, or Intel staying with quad cores on their mainstream CPU for so long?
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Well DX11 was released with Windows 7 which is what 6 years old?

around that time pure cores still reigned supreme..

i will say this again.. x6 can only beat fx when it comes to combined.. dealing with the graphics section and physics section and basically ignoring combined will give you a better idea of how your rig will fare in future...

imho the combined aspect is bunk and should be viewed with a grain of salt.. that is why those who know don't put any weight into cinebench for cross platform comparison for the exact same reason

in a benchmark that takes advantage of "physical" cores over "logical" cores like their tweet said. will injustifiably give a processor that does not feature an architecture of SMT or CMT with a large count of cores a false advantage in terms of a benchmark..

you won't see this in real world because this is a result of the coding. its coded to look for physical cores and logical cores. in this case a physical core that lacks any logical core is seen as both a physical and logical core by this program.

giving slightly inflated score for edge case equipment (pentium dual cores, unlocked i5s, and thubans)

those inflated scores do not represent real world difference VS something that doesn't gain that inflated score thru this application.

This is also why i7-e parts score significantly higher, because its coded to take advantage of those extra physcal cores even tho VERY VERY few engines are capable of that. (cry engine 3 and frostbite 3 are the only ones to come to mind that mange to sort out this DX11 smt.cmt.physcal mumbo jumbo out)

Last thing.. The only thing to use the Firestrike Engine... is firestrike... they are no about to make a game of it..
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You guys are definitely right. thumb.gif

Here, you can see that the graphics score remain exactly where they should be, FX vs i5. So if the FX will be treated like a Quad Core, so is the i5, the combined score only notes the core strength of the Intels. But they can both push the GPU to render it's strentgh. The platform changes as you move to a more CPU intensive game or test I guess as Physics score says.

Core i5-3570K at 4.5

AMD FX8320 at 5.0 with 2133 RAM
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I'm picking a CHVFZ. As my kitty will need to be Warrantied or Repaired.

Ugh.
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I'm picking a CHVFZ. As my kitty will need to be Warrantied or Repaired.

Ugh.

What happened to your Sabertooth?
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Ugh.

What happened to your Sabertooth?

he melted his ATX cpu 8 pin IIRC
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Good memory Flail smile.gif

Might need a propane torch or something to replace those pins. devil.gif
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