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why would a 970 chipset board from a company known for skimping on the 990 and 970 budget boards release a board that was better than it's higher priced cohorts for less? They wouldn't....the fx killer supports 9x processors too supposedly and its midrange...all the way..kitty is hands down the best investment I made for my fx...plus the r2.0 isn't as Brown it's a lighter shade

I have no experience with either, so I have no clue, but what I would say in response to that, is how can it run a 9590 @ 1.5v, and if it can't how can it be advertised and sold to do so?

I mean, I have seen no reviews on it personally, but I would imagine people on a $300+/- budget are looking at boards and chips and saying, "okay, I can buy the $200 board, and the $130 CPU and hopefully OC to 4.6+" or "I can buy the $100 board, and the $230 CPU and get 4.7 out of the box"....

On paper, only one of those is a gamble, though I do understand that quality comes to mind also....
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I have no experience with either, so I have no clue, but what I would say in response to that, is how can it run a 9590 @ 1.5v, and if it can't how can it be advertised and sold to do so?

I mean, I have seen no reviews on it personally, but I would imagine people on a $300+/- budget are looking at boards and chips and saying, "okay, I can buy the $200 board, and the $130 CPU and hopefully OC to 4.6+" or "I can buy the $100 board, and the $230 CPU and get 4.7 out of the box"....

On paper, only one of those is a gamble, though I do understand that quality comes to mind also....

It is certain, that Asrock cut costs SOMEWHERE (compared to the high end 990FX line). The question is where. My guess, is that they maintained the typical "asrock 970 thin pcb". Because otherwise, it's too good to be true. They 've even put the Nichicon japanese caps on, which are more expensive than what ASUS and Gigabyte use in the range (taiwanese Apaq).

This board seems an attempt by Asrock to win the battle of the "middle sector". Price/feature wise, it seems to be aiming to the MSI 970 Gaming as direct competitor. When the FX came out, the 970 extreme3 was selling like hotcakes in Europe. Asrock makes the biggest shares of her sales in Europe. Bang for buck, it had no rival. Only much later did they put asterisks when running 8xxx on them. But they sold a LOT of them in the meantime. Asrocks are very common for office builds in Europe.

In the meantime though, the Gigabyte 970 UD3P has changed the game. Since it came out, it's only 8 euros more than the Extreme3 and cheaper than the Extreme4, which in the meantime have shown their weakness in any overclocking attempt. It's a no brainer to get the Gigabyte nowdays. ASUS sells the M5A97 EVO 1 euro more than the Giga 970 UD3P. So again, if for whatever reason, one dislikes the Gigabyte, for 9 euros more than the extreme3, there is a 6+2 ASUS. Why buy the Extreme3??? Then MSI comes and releases the 970 Gaming (more expensive than the Gigabyte 970, but, some are attracted by the audio or the looks). ASrock must be taking a beating in the budget sector, which was always her privilidged sector. Now you even have Biostar, with the TA970 Plus, selling here at 69 euros (=1 euro cheaper than the Extreme3). Only a MAD man would buy the Asrock 970 Extreme3, with these other options out.

So, it is clear that Asrock is trying to regain the middle ground with the 970 Professional. But, since they all fight to cut costs to the last euro, there MUST be a weak point in its armour... And like i said, my suspicion, is that they kept the thin PCB and that the VRM may be marginal for 9xxx FX. I just checked, the lowest price is 99 euros, which is about 22 euros more than the Giga 970 UD3P. You get the support for 9xxx and 8/8 crossfire and better audio. Personally though, if i wanted to run 1 VGA, i would wait for the Giga 970 UD3P Rev.2, which will have audio caps as well. I mean, otherwise i don't think it's worth 22 euros over the UD3P, unless you want official support for FX 9xxx or Crossfire.

The worrying part of the Asrock 970 Professionals are that the 1 egg reviews, are often about premature death. This usually isn't a good sign, but it's in line with the high failure rate with the other Asrock 970 boards.

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/108284-huge-list-of-failure-rates-on-pc-components-french-but-i-translated-nearly-everything/

Actually, i am pondering myself whether to get yet another motherboard as a spare (altough i shouldn't because i have already too many spares) and given what's out right now, the new Biostar TA970 Plus looks interesting, if not for other reason, because i already have 2 UD3P (1 as spare) and would be interesting to try Biostar and at that price for 8+2 mobo, it's tempting. But i will wait for reviews...
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GA 970 UD3p is impossible to beat for the price.

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For AMD platform, i wouldnt advice anything else than Gigabyte or Asus models, Gigabyte being my top sugestion, they beat the Asus boards in almost every single way.

But...i do like Asrock, they are a solid brand regarding Intel products.

The 970 Fatality i never putted my hands on it, but as a computer store onwer...i have sold a couple 990FX Fatality and no RMA at all thumb.gif

I would say:

GA 970 UD3P - unbeatable for the price;

GA 990FXA UD3/UD5

And if you really want asrock, 990FXA Fatality.

The only ones i would stay away are really MSI models, crap...just crap...i had to stop selling MSI 970 G46 because i was having an abnormal rma rate.

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You're probably right about the low end MSI's , but anyone that expects a $70 board to keep up with the one's that sell for $150 + isn't being very realistic. Given the same cooling , the GD-80 however has consistently bested my CHV-z's and has been pushed very hard for over 2 years now with no sign of any problems yet. Conversely , 2 of the 3 CHV-z's I've owned have failed.
I've messed with a few Asrock boards, they were competitive at their price points, but it seems like every one I've had has had something that really bugged me about it. Bio's stuff on the 990 extreme 3 with an LLC function that was terribly heavy handed, extremely flimsy video outs on the ones equipped with IGP's - FM2 EXTREME 6 I'm looking at you! - and a p67 board that had some usb issues ( could have been intel's fault however).
I have a 990 UD 5 sitting next to me that I need to try out, will be my first Gigabyte board , looking forward to messing with it thumb.gif
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It is certain, that Asrock cut costs SOMEWHERE (compared to the high end 990FX line). The question is where. My guess, is that they maintained the typical "asrock 970 thin pcb". Because otherwise, it's too good to be true. They 've even put the Nichicon japanese caps on, which are more expensive than what ASUS and Gigabyte use in the range (taiwanese Apaq).

This board seems an attempt by Asrock to win the battle of the "middle sector". Price/feature wise, it seems to be aiming to the MSI 970 Gaming as direct competitor. When the FX came out, the 970 extreme3 was selling like hotcakes in Europe. Asrock makes the biggest shares of her sales in Europe. Bang for buck, it had no rival. Only much later did they put asterisks when running 8xxx on them. But they sold a LOT of them in the meantime. Asrocks are very common for office builds in Europe.

In the meantime though, the Gigabyte 970 UD3P has changed the game. Since it came out, it's only 8 euros more than the Extreme3 and cheaper than the Extreme4, which in the meantime have shown their weakness in any overclocking attempt. It's a no brainer to get the Gigabyte nowdays. ASUS sells the M5A97 EVO 1 euro more than the Giga 970 UD3P. So again, if for whatever reason, one dislikes the Gigabyte, for 9 euros more than the extreme3, there is a 6+2 ASUS. Why buy the Extreme3??? Then MSI comes and releases the 970 Gaming (more expensive than the Gigabyte 970, but, some are attracted by the audio or the looks). ASrock must be taking a beating in the budget sector, which was always her privilidged sector. Now you even have Biostar, with the TA970 Plus, selling here at 69 euros (=1 euro cheaper than the Extreme3). Only a MAD man would buy the Asrock 970 Extreme3, with these other options out.

So, it is clear that Asrock is trying to regain the middle ground with the 970 Professional. But, since they all fight to cut costs to the last euro, there MUST be a weak point in its armour... And like i said, my suspicion, is that they kept the thin PCB and that the VRM may be marginal for 9xxx FX. I just checked, the lowest price is 99 euros, which is about 22 euros more than the Giga 970 UD3P. You get the support for 9xxx and 8/8 crossfire and better audio. Personally though, if i wanted to run 1 VGA, i would wait for the Giga 970 UD3P Rev.2, which will have audio caps as well. I mean, otherwise i don't think it's worth 22 euros over the UD3P, unless you want official support for FX 9xxx or Crossfire.

The worrying part of the Asrock 970 Professionals are that the 1 egg reviews, are often about premature death. This usually isn't a good sign, but it's in line with the high failure rate with the other Asrock 970 boards.

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/108284-huge-list-of-failure-rates-on-pc-components-french-but-i-translated-nearly-everything/

Actually, i am pondering myself whether to get yet another motherboard as a spare (altough i shouldn't because i have already too many spares) and given what's out right now, the new Biostar TA970 Plus looks interesting, if not for other reason, because i already have 2 UD3P (1 as spare) and would be interesting to try Biostar and at that price for 8+2 mobo, it's tempting. But i will wait for reviews...

All accurate information, and a very valid theory.....

I would say though, that for what I am looking to do, the board seems very fitting (would add that by "professionals" I think you meant "performance" which is what the board is branded as).

My plan is to....

Replace my 5 year old, failing board, and keep my 1090T and 290 GPU.
Within 6 months time, replace the 1090T with an 8 core vishera. Possibly even opt for the 9 series if they are sub $200 at some point.

I also plan to add an additional 290 for crossfire. This would give me a pretty hefty upgrade, and also be very friendly on the wallet if I opt for such a low cost board.


I would also note that, there are plenty of 1 egg reviews on the Asus Sabertooth, the Formula Z, and all the aforementioned high end Gigabyte boards too. And they are all due to premature failure of the entire board, or the onboard audio (which seems to be very common on the Asus boards).

And I am not saying any of that to knock Asus or Gigabyte.... I personally own 2 Gigaboards, and 1 Asus board in my 3 systems, and have had dozens of both boards in the past, so I am very familiar with their quality.

I think I may go for this ASRock board, and let you guys know how it does. It certainly can't be worse than my 5 year old 890FXA-UD5 that is unfortunately reaching the end of it's shelf life, from both an antiquated and functional standpoint.
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GA 970 UD3p is impossible to beat for the price.

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Yes and it's a thoroughly tested motherboard by now. In overclock too. Which adds to its value. My main complain is the BIOS quirks. The fact that you have to leave the Turbo always to auto or get double boot. The unfriendly way to change values. The mouse that is superslow in the UEFI. I prefer the Asrock 970 extreme3 BIOS 100 times better.
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Bio's stuff on the 990 extreme 3 with an LLC function that was terribly heavy handed,

Typical of Asrock in the "extreme" series. Same happens in the 970 extr3, but they had the good sense to put a voice in the BIOS saying "Leave LLC disabled for AM3+, only enable in AM3". If you enable it with FX,voltage overshoots by a mile.
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extremely flimsy video outs on the ones equipped with IGP's

Always part of Asrock's mentality of "make it thinner, to cut costs". Things always bend a lot in budget Asrocks. But miraculously, they don't break. Still, until you get the hang of it and realise the construction philosophy, it's worrisome everytime you have to put your hands on them and push. biggrin.gif
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All accurate information, and a very valid theory.....

I would say though, that for what I am looking to do, the board seems very fitting (would add that by "professionals" I think you meant "performance" which is what the board is branded as).

Yes, sorry, my mistake. I meant the "performance".
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Replace my 5 year old, failing board, and keep my 1090T and 290 GPU.
Within 6 months time, replace the 1090T with an 8 core vishera. Possibly even opt for the 9 series if they are sub $200 at some point.

I also plan to add an additional 290 for crossfire. This would give me a pretty hefty upgrade, and also be very friendly on the wallet if I opt for such a low cost board.


I would also note that, there are plenty of 1 egg reviews on the Asus Sabertooth, the Formula Z, and all the aforementioned high end Gigabyte boards too. And they are all due to premature failure of the entire board, or the onboard audio (which seems to be very common on the Asus boards).

And I am not saying any of that to knock Asus or Gigabyte.... I personally own 2 Gigaboards, and 1 Asus board in my 3 systems, and have had dozens of both boards in the past, so I am very familiar with their quality.

I think I may go for this ASRock board, and let you guys know how it does. It certainly can't be worse than my 5 year old 890FXA-UD5 that is unfortunately reaching the end of it's shelf life, from both an antiquated and functional standpoint.

Well, given your plan, i think i would do the same too... The good thing with Asrocks (i use them since s939), is that usually, if they don't die soon, they will live long (usually). To be honest, at that price, at least here, you must either get the Asrock performance or the MSI Gaming. Given my allergy to anything with Nikos written on it, i would buy the Asrock too... You are right about 1 egg reviews on other brands too, i am a bit paranoid when it comes to "Asrock 970", because of the "asterisks" they 've put on their entire line and the failure rate i 've read. On the bright side, NONE of my Asrocks 790 or 970 has failed yet. biggrin.gif
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Yes, sorry, my mistake. I meant the "performance".
Well, given your plan, i think i would do the same too... The good thing with Asrocks (i use them since s939), is that usually, if they don't die soon, they will live long (usually). To be honest, at that price, at least here, you must either get the Asrock performance or the MSI Gaming. Given my allergy to anything with Nikos written on it, i would buy the Asrock too... You are right about 1 egg reviews on other brands too, i am a bit paranoid when it comes to "Asrock 970", because of the "asterisks" they 've put on their entire line and the failure rate i 've read. On the bright side, NONE of my Asrocks 790 or 970 has failed yet. biggrin.gif

Well, that last bit is good to know....

I wish I could go through the reviews on all motherboards on newegg, and remove the 1 and 2 egg ones with stupid things like:

"Did not work with my HD6970" Come on dude, you should know better....

"Could not get my DDR2400 to run over 1866" RAM speed is more IMC and timing depending than anything, did you check those ding dong??

"Runs my 8350 @ 1400MHz instead of 3.5GHz" Really dude? Have you checked it under load? Read about Cool and Quiet, then give us a review....


We all know that kind of stuff is a bunch of garbage and user error. They should actually have to approve those reviews a little better than they do.
Some of that stuff is just nonsense.
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Well, that last bit is good to know....

I wish I could go through the reviews on all motherboards on newegg, and remove the 1 and 2 egg ones with stupid things like:

"Did not work with my HD6970" Come on dude, you should know better....

"Could not get my DDR2400 to run over 1866" RAM speed is more IMC and timing depending than anything, did you check those ding dong??

"Runs my 8350 @ 1400MHz instead of 3.5GHz" Really dude? Have you checked it under load? Read about Cool and Quiet, then give us a review....


We all know that kind of stuff is a bunch of garbage and user error. They should actually have to approve those reviews a little better than they do.
Some of that stuff is just nonsense.

If you plan to do Crossfire, you must go with 990FXA, that´s really the main diference between 970 vs 990.

Choose the cheapest:

Gigabyte 990FXA UD3;

Asrock 990FXA Fatality;

:thumb.gif
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If you plan to do Crossfire, you must go with 990FXA, that´s really the main diference between 970 vs 990.

Choose the cheapest:

Gigabyte 990FXA UD3;

Asrock 990FXA Fatality;

:thumb.gif

Well, this new 970 board is setup to do 16x/4x, 8x/8x, and 8x/4x/4x thumb.gif
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