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Forgive the ignorance, but the last 3dMark i ran and still use is the 2003 Edition. biggrin.gif What's the issue there?


In FireStrike, the physics test uses 1 thread per logical core, and in the combined test it uses 1 thread per physical core.

Now, that's plenty fair in my opinion. AMD didn't bring a stud to bat, so when it comes time to hit, they can't swing it like intel on 4 cores.... okay, whatever, this we all know....

Now here is the problem....

My x6 scores equally with the FX8*** chips in the physics tests, with two less cores, and usually even with a 400-500MHz clock speed handicap.
And then, in the combined test, my old x6 score MUCH MUCH better than the visheras due to the fact that the x6 has 6 true cores.

Now say you don't mind all that, and figure that only using four of the 8 logical processors is a good simulation of what to expect in a game...... okay still fine by me....

But what is nuts, is that it appears that during both tests, the CPU's are not even being fully utilized!!!!
I mean, this is a benchmark for F's sake...... it is supposed to be coded in such a way that it actually allows the hardware to stretch it's legs and live a little.
We know that games have been crippling this chip for years (which is beginning to finally pass).... but a benchmark like that should full test the architecture of both intel and AMD CPU's... that just weird...

I mean, who here thinks it's fair that my 5 year old x6 is beating the FX8*** CPU's in every facet of that benchmark? Unless of course, the x6 is truly faster, but I don't believe that's what this benchmark is showing us.

We've known this for a while and i could have sworn you took part in the last conversation about it.

Physics = Logical cores (8)

Combined = Physical (4)
 
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I don't see how though?I am talking about memtest not memtest86. If your ram and memory controller overclocks are unstable, when memtest runs it will record errors. So I don't see how it would not be effective at testing memory stability. That's kind of what it's for.

Sorry I assumed you meant Memtest86 my bad doh.gif
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We've known this for a while and i could have sworn you took part in the last conversation about it.

Physics = Logical cores (8)

Combined = Physical (4)
yeah I did, but what I am realizing now goes beyond the thread usage. I'm actually seeing that it also neglects to load the cores..... I was somewhat boasting about my x6 in the last conversation we had about it, now I'm just realizing Its a botched benchmark, and researching the fx8 as I near purchasing one, has opened my eyes to it.
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We've known this for a while and i could have sworn you took part in the last conversation about it.

Physics = Logical cores (8)

Combined = Physical (4)
yeah I did, but what I am realizing now goes beyond the thread usage. I'm actually seeing that it also neglects to load the cores..... I was somewhat boasting about my x6 in the last conversation we had about it, now I'm just realizing Its a botched benchmark, and researching the fx8 as I near purchasing one, has opened my eyes to it.

A benchmark that loads the hardware in a manner that favors Intel???? Balderdash! Never heard the like. ( my tongue seems to be quite embedded into my cheek)
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A benchmark that loads the hardware in a manner that favors Intel???? Balderdash! Never heard the like. ( my tongue seems to be quite embedded into my cheek)

Yeah I hear you man, and what's more is, the x6 does great with it, so was this a benchmark that was in the works for a while, and 3dmark built it around Sandy Bridge/K10.5 architecture, only to find out it didn't do worth a damn with bulldozer or piledriver..... OR, did they figure a way to skew the results in intel's favor for the Ivy/Piledriver era, and forget to make sure 10.5 ran like crap on it too. rolleyes.gif
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Its all about software optimization...

Since Intel controls the market with a crushing power, AMD could even have better potential hardware, but the software would run better on Intel anyway.

That´s why we feel FX´s potential isnt all explored, and probably, never will be.

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Its all about software optimization...

Since Intel controls the market with a crushing power, AMD could even have better potential hardware, but the software would run better on Intel anyway.

That´s why we feel FX´s potential isnt all explored, and probably, never will be.

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Maybe when the FX is a solid 5 years old, it will perform as well as it should..... that's how I feel about the x6 I'm using.

This chip performs so much better now than it did when new..... Makes me feel much better about buying an FX soon though. Sure, it's 3 years old now, but again, my x6 does wonderful for me, and it's over 5.

And at the end of the day, the FX chips are giving intel a plenty fair dollar for dollar fight for the most part, so I'm fine with the "old tech".... thumb.gif
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Thank you sir

So many Firestrike benchmarks. Thinking of downloading every free benchmark program and running it now, at least firestrike.

.:edit:.

I know Cinebench isn't a good thing for comparison but I ran both 11.5 and 15 anyway with my 4.9GHz OC. There was a higher increase in scores going from 4.8GHz to 4.9GHz than from 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz. Weird. Will be running firestrike soon. Eh nevermind. Download is 1.5GB and don't want to waste my datacap. I'll download it the upcoming weekend
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So I got me a Inwin 904 + and wanna step up from my kraken x60/40. I have a saber and a fx 8320e and want to do a clear tubes, led block and possibly nb and mosfets & Gpu. Sine I've never done it I need some guidance on whats parts to get and configuration. Thanks guys.

Watercooling Thread will help you.

But here are my takes on your planned set-up:
Tube sizes and Compression fittings should match. Different makes, different standards on measurement. Primochill LRT Clear for Plasticizer-free soft tubes. PETG or Acrylic if you wanna do rigid tubes.
EK Supreme EVO Block seems to be top-dog at the moment. And should be LED-friendly.
Check http://www.overclock.net/t/1468642/how-to-watercool-the-asus-990fx-sabertooth-rev2-0-vrms-and-nb/0_50

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I did not check the CPU usage during the test but here is my new 4670k at stock with the same memory. My graphics were updated but I wasn't worried about them just the combined score. his is at 3.4 Ghz stock.
4670k

8350

Kinda low there. Something must be wrong somewhere.





FX enjoys a better clock on the 290. 1180 is around the Max I can bench before. Which I can push to 1250 lately. Wondering if the CHV-FZ has it's magic. tongue.gif
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Only way I have found is dvdfab

Care to expand on this?

There is nothing to expand.

This is the truth I have never seen any other program that work. Other render/encoding programs may work. But you asked how I do it. I use dvdfab and rip a bluray.

It will either error out or blue screen.

I Love when people say prime/ibtavx is unrealistic they never have ripped a bluray with a good and extremely well optimized program.

It brings prime and ibtavx to its knees in both heat output and stress
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A benchmark that loads the hardware in a manner that favors Intel???? Balderdash! Never heard the like. ( my tongue seems to be quite embedded into my cheek)

Yeah I hear you man, and what's more is, the x6 does great with it, so was this a benchmark that was in the works for a while, and 3dmark built it around Sandy Bridge/K10.5 architecture, only to find out it didn't do worth a damn with bulldozer or piledriver..... OR, did they figure a way to skew the results in intel's favor for the Ivy/Piledriver era, and forget to make sure 10.5 ran like crap on it too. rolleyes.gif

Meh 3d11 works decent ( not well but better ) you can at least make physics and combined equal
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