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Originally Posted by Spacebug View Post

First of all, if you experience corrupted files, be it that windows may have effed upp something or otherwise, reset everything overclocked to default settings.
I saw earlier that you tested stability with only IBT, right?
Ideally you would test a large number of stability tests, passing IBT does not guarantee you have a stable system by any means really.
So the problems may be an unstable OC, so to take that out of the equation, reset everything to default, atleast until you have narrowed down the cause of the problem...

As an example that just IBT may not prove a stable system, some days ago I tried some ram overclocking counter ram voltage.
I used IBT as it is very quick, just to avoid running memtest over night at settings that does not pass other, quicker tests.
I got a little confused as IBT passed with ram voltage as low as 1.65V, on a previous CPU these frequencies and timings only worked with 1.72V and up.
Might be a better cpu i thought so I began memtest, and it started spewing errors right at the start.
Sure enough, ram was not stable with less than 1.72V, but it still passed IBT, see where I'm getting at? wink.gif

What this show is, if your pc can pass IBT stability test, only proves that it is stable for IBT, it does not prove or verify anything else.
So if you want to be as sure you can be that the OC is stable, you should run a large variety of tests, and even then you might not be sure it is rock stable.


Another little anecdote regarding memtest and how long you should run it to consider it stable, yesterday I tested some other ram settings.
I let it run over night, checked this morning and 7 instances were running fine and had passed 1350% without a single error, but one instance had got 5 errors at 980%.
Had I only let memtest pass say 250% and quit the test, called it stable I would not know that the ram settings (or IMC) was unstable.

Just something to think about when people say that they know their OC is stable.
Passing a couple of runs of your favourite stability test just proves that the OC is stable enough to pass that test, it does NOT verify system stability as a whole.
If all you do with the PC is to run IBT then that may be fine, otherwise I would strongly suggest to run as much different stability tests you can.
That way you can better the odds some that the OC might indeed be fullt stable...

WOW thnx for the reply dude, that's a wall of text to read and very informative too, thnx for that thumb.gif

I didn't test my stability with IBT AVX alone, i did run several tests for example, IBT AVX for about 10 runs on very high, gaming for hours on end, rendering large files hours on end, i put all kinds of load to my system to make sure to get the most stable system possible so i certainly do not rely only on IBT AVX alone. My system is rock stable with any of these previous things, so if my system would be unstable it would sort it out pretty fast when i render a lot of file hours on end in Adobe premiere pro. Rendering is not even the hardest part of premiere pro, you really work your system hard when you are exporting those files, and even than no problem whatsoever.

I could not agree with you more on the stability test, that's why i don't like those test like, IBT AVX, Prime95 etc. because they certainly do not determine if you system is stable at all, period. Its a fact that you loose stability the moment you start overclocking, as simple as that. There is no guarantee whatsoever that your system will be stable 24/7 when you are overclocking it.

I think people who run Prime95, IBT AVX for hours on end do not understand what stability really dictates. For example, if you run Prime95, IBT AVX for like 2 hours to check stability without ANY errors, it might happen that when you try to play a game it crashes immediately, i should know because that actually happened to me rolleyes.gif

I don't say that those programs are bad by all means but its a very poor way to look for stability. It stresses the components in such an unrealistic way an put so much more heat and stress that you never eve going to see in every day usage.

It can even do harm to your components if you run them hours on end.. i read once on the internet that some guy actually smoked his motherboard by using this programs..
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Originally Posted by Spacebug View Post

First of all, if you experience corrupted files, be it that windows may have effed upp something or otherwise, reset everything overclocked to default settings.
I saw earlier that you tested stability with only IBT, right?
Ideally you would test a large number of stability tests, passing IBT does not guarantee you have a stable system by any means really.
So the problems may be an unstable OC, so to take that out of the equation, reset everything to default, atleast until you have narrowed down the cause of the problem...

As an example that just IBT may not prove a stable system, some days ago I tried some ram overclocking counter ram voltage.
I used IBT as it is very quick, just to avoid running memtest over night at settings that does not pass other, quicker tests.
I got a little confused as IBT passed with ram voltage as low as 1.65V, on a previous CPU these frequencies and timings only worked with 1.72V and up.
Might be a better cpu i thought so I began memtest, and it started spewing errors right at the start.
Sure enough, ram was not stable with less than 1.72V, but it still passed IBT, see where I'm getting at? wink.gif

What this show is, if your pc can pass IBT stability test, only proves that it is stable for IBT, it does not prove or verify anything else.
So if you want to be as sure you can be that the OC is stable, you should run a large variety of tests, and even then you might not be sure it is rock stable.


Another little anecdote regarding memtest and how long you should run it to consider it stable, yesterday I tested some other ram settings.
I let it run over night, checked this morning and 7 instances were running fine and had passed 1350% without a single error, but one instance had got 5 errors at 980%.
Had I only let memtest pass say 250% and quit the test, called it stable I would not know that the ram settings (or IMC) was unstable.

Just something to think about when people say that they know their OC is stable.
Passing a couple of runs of your favourite stability test just proves that the OC is stable enough to pass that test, it does NOT verify system stability as a whole.
If all you do with the PC is to run IBT then that may be fine, otherwise I would strongly suggest to run as much different stability tests you can.
That way you can better the odds some that the OC might indeed be fullt stable...

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I know it's a ****ty idea but have you considered a clean install?

Thnx for your input man, and yes i considered fresh install several times but that doesn't solve the problem if you know what i mean and its too easy and if you know me you should know i do not do easy biggrin.gif

I already solved it through this guide: http://www.kapilarya.com/windows-update-ran-into-a-problem-error-8024a008
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
You can take a flashlight and shine it down at the bottom of the stick looking under the heatspreader and you should be able to see ic mounted on both sides of the stick for double sided and just on one side of a stick if they are sigle sided.

You can also look at both sides of the golden fingers at the bottom of a stick... A single sided stick will have a bunch of small SMD's mounted on one side and none on the other (smooth). On a double sided stick will have the small SMD's mounted in a more balanced way on each side of the stick.

S/S 2666C11 Team Xtreem (Hynix):


D/S 2666C11 Kingston Predator (Samsung):

Okay so I used a flashlight to take a look at one of the sticks of memory. They are double sided Samsung IC (memory chips on both side of the RAM). So how can I find optimal timings now?
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I could not agree with you more on the stability test, that's why i don't like those test like, IBT AVX, Prime95 etc. because they certainly do not determine if you system is stable at all, period. Its a fact that you loose stability the moment you start overclocking, as simple as that. There is no guarantee whatsoever that your system will be stable 24/7 when you are overclocking it.

True that
Running an overclocked system is fun and all, but it is a calculated risk.
You do your best to test it with various programs, after that you can only cross your fingers and hope for the best really rolleyes.gif
Hell, it isn't really guaranteed to be stable even at default settings, could be borked hardware or something for all we know...

Yeah, that was kind of a wall of text, sorry about that.
I get carried away sometimes, perhaps especially regarding the word "stable" that people throw around sometimes.
And sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick regarding your testing methods, sometimes I read stuff a little too fast redface.gif

Stability is really in the eyes of the beholder, if it seems stable than good, lets hope it is so too...


So you solved it?
Good thumb.gif
Edited by Spacebug - 3/22/15 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by Spacebug View Post

True that
Running an overclocked system is fun and all, but it is a calculated risk.
You do your best to test it with various programs, after that you can only cross your fingers and hope for the best really rolleyes.gif
Hell, it isn't really guaranteed to be stable even at default settings, could be borked hardware or something for all we know...

Yeah, that was kind of a wall of text, sorry about that.
I get carried away sometimes, perhaps especially regarding the word "stable" that people throw around sometimes.
And sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick regarding your testing methods, sometimes I read stuff a little too fast redface.gif

Stability is really in the eyes of the beholder, if it seems stable than good, lets hope it is so too...


So you solved it?
Good thumb.gif

you are absolutely right, nothing to add man thumb.gif

I kinda fixed it i guess but i am searching for updates now and it looks like its stuck again on 'searching for updates" its kinda ridiculous that i have to go to all this trouble in order to make the windows update to work properly.

As a matter a fact, this isn't the first issue i have with Windows and i read all kinds of issues on the net on all kinds of Windows. That only shows me how incompetent Microsoft engineers are in making an "stable" WORKING platform.
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Random post. I started unpacking an archived file on my 8350 desktop and it was taking a while. Said I had to wait 1 hour 20 minutes. So after 30 minutes passed I was at about 40%. Well I began unarchiving the same file on my i7 Quad-Core laptop and it started off with only needing 40 minutes. Two problems on why it was taking so long on my 8350. One, unarchive is only using 1 core. So I guess a 3.2GHz i7 Single core is faster than a 4.9GHz 8350 single core. Second was that I left my Windows Power options to power save. Could have been at 1400MHz due to CoolnQuiet. After putting power options to high power the desktop is catching up and passing my laptop now.
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It has been a pretty good day so far. Started the 8370 at 4 ghz and have been working up to the current 4.9 ghz multi only. This is new territory for me as the 8350 was always stable at 4.7 but never at 4.8. It is getting close to my limits of volts and temps tho so 5 ghz is probably out with straight multi.

Next will be starting at 4 and seeing how far an fsb OC will go.
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I move back home next week and while the nights are cold I plan on setting up the pc in the garage for a night of overclocking with actual sub 15c ambient temps to test the theory of heat vs voltage theory we all have/show noob overclockers that heat is the enemy, sound ok or should i not bother? haha. biggrin.gif
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I move back home next week and while the nights are cold I plan on setting up the pc in the garage for a night of overclocking with actual sub 15c ambient temps to test the theory of heat vs voltage theory we all have/show noob overclockers that heat is the enemy, sound ok or should i not bother? haha. biggrin.gif

I'm interested...do it.
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A friend told me about this new tool called SSD-Z, i think its very need biggrin.gif

For anyone who is interested, here is where you get it: http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/ssd-z-download.html
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It has been a pretty good day so far. Started the 8370 at 4 ghz and have been working up to the current 4.9 ghz multi only. This is new territory for me as the 8350 was always stable at 4.7 but never at 4.8. It is getting close to my limits of volts and temps tho so 5 ghz is probably out with straight multi.

Next will be starting at 4 and seeing how far an fsb OC will go.

4.9 on air is great! I hope that you will pass IBT VH/20 with that. Can't wait to see if you can hit 5.0 using FSB, that would be sweet. Good luck

Do to high temps while folding, I am considering 4.7 for my daily clock instead of 4.8. Hopefully one day I can get temps more in check..
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I move back home next week and while the nights are cold I plan on setting up the pc in the garage for a night of overclocking with actual sub 15c ambient temps to test the theory of heat vs voltage theory we all have/show noob overclockers that heat is the enemy, sound ok or should i not bother? haha. biggrin.gif

Yes, we want overclock porn! biggrin.gif



Also, I am trying to use 2600 (was 2400) on the NB with ram set to 2400. What kind of CPU/NB voltage will I likely need? And should I change NB voltage at all?
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