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I think if a poor job is done at spreading it, then it will be inferior. And I believe it is for this reason that the pea method usually works better for most people (because they either spread in on to thick, or create air pockets).

If you can get a very thin/even coat spread, it should perform as good if not better than the pea method. The pea method is fool proof is all (except for the fact that your application may not end up as thin) smile.gif
Edited by pshootr - 3/23/15 at 9:30pm
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Here we are again with TIM Application. thinking.gif

IMO, no, Opinions don't count.
It has to be by proven facts, that PEA method, 9/10 times, performs better to get even coverage. And is better than any other application temps-wise. With the exception of GPU dies of course!

I would trust numerous people who have tried it and tested which way performs best. Of course it's not always true per TIM used. But most!

@pshootr have you tried PEA Method with adequate amount of TIM and see if it doesn't spread or cover the whole DIE area? I am certain 8/10 times I tried it, it does. The other 2 would be my mistakes when tightening the cooler.
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Here we are again with TIM Application. thinking.gif

IMO, no, Opinions don't count.
It has to be by proven facts, that PEA method, 9/10 times, performs better to get even coverage. And is better than any other application temps-wise.

I would trust numerous people who have tried it and tested which way performs best. Of course it's not always true per TIM used. But most!

@pshootr have you tried PEA Method with adequate amount of TIM and see if it doesn't spread or cover the whole DIE area? I am certain 8/10 times I tried it, it does. The other 2 would be my mistakes when tightening the cooler.

When I mention surface area I do not mean how far it spreads. Instead I am referring to the actual suface area of contact in any given space (even if both methods cover the whole IHS). IE: the pores of the metals

Also I am saying a thinner application is better than a thicker application.

I think that how well/thin it is spread will play a big part. I also think that the pea method will have its advantages in certain cases, such as when one of the mounting surfaces is not flat (concave). In this case the pea method will likely fill that space better.

I am not saying that one is better than the other really. I am just saying if your surface is pretty flat, and the application is spread very thin and evenly then it should yeild optimal results. Of course mileage will vary due to ability to perform the application or how flat the surface may or may not be. smile.gif

I am going to try it myself and I will let you guys know how it goes for me thumb.gif

It was not that long ago that someone in this thread reported better temps after trying this, so give it a shot yourself.. I know I am. If it dosn't work out, then I wasted 20 minutes, thats only about as much time I have wasted typing all of this lol..
Edited by pshootr - 3/23/15 at 9:53pm
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Well I'm pretty sure it's the power cable or the actual terminals it plugs into on the psu after moving it back and cold booted 8 to 10 times pretty as you please...
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I call BS thumb.gif

The point of spreading it is NOT to cover more of the CPU, it is rather to get a thinner application smile.gif

I have seen that video, and he is amusing, but that's about it..

You call it BS..? You see for yourself how it spreads rolleyes.gif

Why would you cover your whole CPU since the die is in the middle, it simply doesn't make sense... Like Mega said, there is a reason why so many people use the pea method. spreading TIM simply doesn't make sense because the CPU surface and heat sink surface are never 100% flat so if you spread it you will most likely have a very poor contact and due to that higher temps.

If you want to have a thinner layer of TIM just use less of it, using a good brand of TIM can help spreading and gives better temps compare to an cheap hard to spread TIM.

I used MX-4 for a long time but i switched over to Gelid GC extreme and it does an even better job at spreading and my temps went slightly down as well.
Edited by hurricane28 - 3/24/15 at 2:43am
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Well I'm pretty sure it's the power cable or the actual terminals it plugs into on the psu after moving it back and cold booted 8 to 10 times pretty as you please...

I have had same fault, turned out to be cable,
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My Windows 8.1 is working like a charm again biggrin.gif

A simple Windows 8.1 fresh up did the trick thumb.gif

Apparently there was something wrong with the installation.

I like Windows 8.1 and its features more than W7 to be honest.

It feels a lot snappier and there are more options i like so maybe i am going to install it on my SSD because i am on my slow SATA 2 HDD.

Can someone tell me why W8.1 has lower physics in 3Dmark but gaming performance is the same if not better?
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My Windows 8.1 is working like a charm again biggrin.gif

A simple Windows 8.1 fresh up did the trick thumb.gif

Apparently there was something wrong with the installation.

I like Windows 8.1 and its features more than W7 to be honest.

It feels a lot snappier and there are more options i like so maybe i am going to install it on my SSD because i am on my slow SATA 2 HDD.

Can someone tell me why W8.1 has lower physics in 3Dmark but gaming performance is the same if not better?

Not sure why... See http://techbuyersguru.com/windowsgaming4.php I think that the FPS depends on the game, tomb raider
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About TIM, whatever floats yer boat. As a retired mechanic I manually spread that pea around and make sure there is 100% coverage, then scrape off the excess. This method feels good up between my ears. YMMV


I didn't sleep well so this 20 pass run was done between 04:00 and 05:00 this morning. Ambients were a little cooler at 72F/22C. After IBT crashnburned yesterday I reinstalled it and dropped the CPU-NB another click and it passed this time. This is a good everyday OC now.

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About TIM, whatever floats yer boat. As a retired mechanic I manually spread that pea around and make sure there is 100% coverage, then scrape off the excess. This method feels good up between my ears. YMMV


I didn't sleep well so this 20 pass run was done between 04:00 and 05:00 this morning. Ambients were a little cooler at 72F/22C. After IBT crashnburned yesterday I reinstalled it and dropped the CPU-NB another click and it passed this time. This is a good everyday OC now.



You did well smile.gif
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