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OK here's a link http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/742602-ASRock-990fx-Fatal1ty-Killer-on-going-review?highlight=killer

Just for clarity sake are getting vdroop or vdrop or both. Vdrop is a difference in settings from BIOS to actual voltage in windows. Droop on the other hand is the voltage drop under load. Now Bobs board has the VDrop( 0.04v) but very little VDroop.

I am getting a little drop, and a lot of droop....

1.45v in BIOS gives me this...

1.432v idle
1.378v average under max load IBT
1.358v minimum vcore under max load IBT.



1.4v gives me:

1.392v idle
1.362v average under max load IBT
1.338v minimum vcore under max load IBT

The number fluctuates a lot. Those numbers are with CPU load only....

As far as my PSU, the 12v rail stays 12.03 idle, and 11.93 under CPU max load, 11.88 under CPU/GPU max load.
Same PSU used with previous board and CPU at 1.5v....
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That's not your PSU it's just the board and something you will have to learn to live with/ work around. You are getting quite a bit of fluctuation too.
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That's not your PSU it's just the board and something you will have to learn to live with/ work around. You are getting quite a bit of fluctuation too.

What exactly does the CPU voltage offset mean? Why have a voltage setting, and an offset setting? For turbo mode?

I run 1.4v, and 50+mv offset as of now.

I did notice the guy in that killer thread was only shooting 4.2GHz on 1.4v.

With that clock speed, I do get the little bit of vdrop, but VERY LITTLE vdroop. It's when I up the frequency that the droop gets more significant.... Could it just be that I need to give it even more voltage?

I did notice that at 4.8GHz with 1.45v, it would run at roughly 1.405 under full load, which is a much better result, but the socket temp is straight from hell. It runs games fine though, never breaking 65c on anything....
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For years I wondered why people thought boards without LLC weren't worth considering, because I've been able to do pretty well without it.
After finally using the CHV-Z for a while I understand what generates that kind of thinking, they have almost DOUBLE the v-droop the GD-80 has when you don't use LLC and won't overclock for sour apples without it. IF my background had featured the CHV-Z early on, I would be understandably hesitant to buy a board without LLC in light of that fact.


Which is also why I had issues with the GD65 however you IIRC also had a bit of issues with that board too.. the problem that I saw was that the no LLC boards are almost hit or misses.. more so than ones with LLC.. IMO at least

I bought the GD65 second hand , it had a custom bios on it that the previous owner had installed on it. After about a week of messing with it, the bios wigged out and tried to set the ht link to 3000 , boot loop , boot loop etc finally RMA'd it.

I was able to get it to within 100 MHz of what the CHV-Z would do on the 8320 I had on the 480 mm loop. Irrc the CHV-Z topped it out at 4.8 ghz on prime , with the GD-65 hitting a little over 4.7 ghz. That chip had one weak core, the others would prime at over 5ghz, and of all cores to be weak, it was #2. It Benched over 5 ghz pretty easily however. .
I have since purchased a new GD 65 ( $58 at the egg wow) and got the GD 65 back from RMA - both of which haven't been powered on yet.When I get time I'll set it up with the 8370E and give it a go, I'll let you know what it is good for. The 990FX UD5 is still waiting to be played with too.

In the meantime, the CHV-Z that I sent in to be RMA'd came back , worked for a day and started messing up again. GRRRR another RMA and another $13 in shipping.

Most of my overclocking experience on non - llc equipped MSI's has been with the top tier board for the chipset, which is probably worth noting as well.
I am keen to see results with the GD-65. Especially with the newer Vishera's that do well with lower voltage.
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That's not your PSU it's just the board and something you will have to learn to live with/ work around. You are getting quite a bit of fluctuation too.

What exactly does the CPU voltage offset mean? Why have a voltage setting, and an offset setting? For turbo mode?

I run 1.4v, and 50+mv offset as of now.

I did notice the guy in that killer thread was only shooting 4.2GHz on 1.4v.

With that clock speed, I do get the little bit of vdrop, but VERY LITTLE vdroop. It's when I up the frequency that the droop gets more significant.... Could it just be that I need to give it even more voltage?

I did notice that at 4.8GHz with 1.45v, it would run at roughly 1.405 under full load, which is a much better result, but the socket temp is straight from hell. It runs games fine though, never breaking 65c on anything....

Offset voltage is added to your VID or the voltage programmed into the CPU for it's PStates. SO for argument sakes IF your CPU has a VID of 1.3v then if you need 1.4v for the current clock settings you would set an offset of 0.1v. This way when C&Q is enabled it allows the board to control the voltages. If the setting is static at 1.4 the board can't manipulate the volts so they always run at 1.4
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I also own an fx 8350 @ 4.8ghz and 1.42v. Cooling solution is ek L240 kit (watercooling loop).
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Offset voltage is added to your VID or the voltage programmed into the CPU for it's PStates. SO for argument sakes IF your CPU has a VID of 1.3v then if you need 1.4v for the current clock settings you would set an offset of 0.1v. This way when C&Q is enabled it allows the board to control the voltages. If the setting is static at 1.4 the board can't manipulate the volts so they always run at 1.4

Hmmm.... I read some stuff Rgone had posted about this whole offset thing...

I think I may find more stable votlages by lowering my vcore to something like 1.35v, and then adding in a 100mv or 150mv offset to hit under load. Instead of being higher at an idle, it may have a similar affect as LLC, and be lower at idle, and increase under load.... No way of knowing without drinking a pint tonight and testing though... lachen.gif
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Is there an option to use only offsets?
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Why so I have to be different? I use the pea method and then smear it all around and then scrape off the excess. The thing is, I put it on the heat sink, not the cpu. That way I have all the room I need to get it just right with no interference from all the other things close by like the case. I can put the cooler between my knees and just do it.

The good thing about smearing/spreading it, is you get the TIM in to the micro pores of thr IHS and or HS, of course it should be an even thin application. I think of it like this, you mix up some mortar/cement and press it to the floor with a trowel. Then you take another blob of mortar and spread it hard on to the floor. Now which blob of mortar do you think will be harder to chisel up? The blob that was only pressed down will chisel up easier because not as much surface area is in actual contact (on a micro level). Hear we are talking about thermal transfer rather than bond strength, but the principle of application in this comparison is somewhat similar. It is about mating each component with as much surface area as possible for any given area..

you do realize the 99% of tims do this with a little bit of heat? that is what they are designed to do...
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Is there an option to use only offsets?

I can run auto voltage, or user defined voltage.
I can also run auto offset, or user defined.
The two seem to be able to be used independently also.

You can see why I am holding out for the review.... I want to make sure I give a $75 motherboard a deserving shot at making a good showing. I don't know the BIOS and board itself well enough to just piss on it for no LLC, when it's not even an OCing board to begin with. rolleyes.gif
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LG 55UB8500 55" 4K 3D TV Logitech MK350 Rosewill HIVE 850 NZXT S340 
MouseMouse PadOther
Logitech G700s Aukey Smooth 36" Gaming Pad Logitech Driving Force GT  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom X6 1065T @ 4GHz - 1.45v MSI 970 Gaming XFX DD 7870 Black Edition @ 1200/1500 G. Skill Trident-X 8GB  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
ADATA SP550 240GB SSD Lite On 24x DVD  Corsair H80i Windows 10 
MonitorPowerCase
46" 1080P LED TV Raidmax RX850 Apevia X-Dreamer 3 Pink 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-9590 @ 5GHz Asus 990FX Sabertooth Rev 2.0 MSI Gaming 390X G. Skill Trident X 4x4GB  
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA 3  LEPA 240AC Windows 10 x64 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG 55UB8500 55" 4K 3D TV Logitech MK350 Rosewill HIVE 850 NZXT S340 
MouseMouse PadOther
Logitech G700s Aukey Smooth 36" Gaming Pad Logitech Driving Force GT  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom X6 1065T @ 4GHz - 1.45v MSI 970 Gaming XFX DD 7870 Black Edition @ 1200/1500 G. Skill Trident-X 8GB  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
ADATA SP550 240GB SSD Lite On 24x DVD  Corsair H80i Windows 10 
MonitorPowerCase
46" 1080P LED TV Raidmax RX850 Apevia X-Dreamer 3 Pink 
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