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Sounds like you ate reading core voltage at idle?

Even amd states it is not accurate at idle
>▪> sounds like a personal problem tongue.gif

So you agree the reading is inaccurate? Do you know where I can get more information on this 'idle core voltage' or issue you exolained?
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Not atm I am on mobile.

After I very home maybe I can find it.

Basically amd uses an algorithm to determine temp. At idle it is not accurate the more load is on the CPU the more accurate it is
(Vs an Intel which actually has thermistor in the die that give out true temp reading)
Basic rule of thumb is if core is under 40 use socket. If over use core.

**please note this is aiming you ate looking at core temp and not another figure
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Sounds like you ate reading core voltage at idle?

Even amd states it is not accurate at idle
>▪> sounds like a personal problem tongue.gif

So you agree the reading is inaccurate? Do you know where I can get more information on this 'idle core voltage' or issue you exolained?

Here maybe this will help. http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=4570206&postcount=1
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About TIM, whatever floats yer boat. As a retired mechanic I manually spread that pea around and make sure there is 100% coverage, then scrape off the excess. This method feels good up between my ears. YMMV


I didn't sleep well so this 20 pass run was done between 04:00 and 05:00 this morning. Ambients were a little cooler at 72F/22C. After IBT crashnburned yesterday I reinstalled it and dropped the CPU-NB another click and it passed this time. This is a good everyday OC now.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Obviously, what your doing is working fantastic, and congrats on your OC. As cssorkinman already said "you did very well". 4.9 on air wheee.gif You are the man! biggrin.gif

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The more I read, the more I am seeing that the CPUTIN socket thing is super inaccurate and most people are saying it is roughly 20c higher than the core, which in my case is maxing at 62c with some 64-65c spikes here and there, and then the water cooler kicks up the pump to bring it back down. For the most part that CPUTIN temp is giving me 75-85c readings, which are likely correct but may not be..... AMD has said to just mainly pay attention to the CPU package temp, which is said to be VERY reliable after 40c.

Also, I have read that the throttling I am experiencing is because the VRM's will cut the phase in half, and alternate after 45 minutes of continuous load over 60c (I get 63c on the AUXTIN, which is the VRM), and that is why I am getting 4 cores that alternately throttling. The phases themselves cut in half, and alternate throttle for a given time to get below 60c. This is to keep them from ever burning up (though I would suspect it would take more than that to burn them up (maybe?))

This explains why 45 minutes into prime95 I get throttling every single time when running over 4.6GHz....

This is specific to the ASRock boards, and I have to be honest, I don't know if it's such a bad idea if you really think about it...... rolleyes.gif

Until you get cooling behind your socket, you are going to see nasty socket temps at high clocks. After you cool the back of the socket, your core temps will likely be inline with your socket temp and possibly even higher.
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you do realize the 99% of tims do this with a little bit of heat? that is what they are designed to do...

This is a good point. I think I may be somewhat OCD.. I mean, what if I'm using that 1% ninja.gif

lachen.gif

why would you willingly use toothpaste as tim?
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After comparing High LLC vs Ultra-High LLC I still came to the conclusion that Ultra-High was the best. I thought in my initial testings both had temperature spikes, but I went back and tried High LLC again but I see less heat/voltage spikes. Was doing a 50 Run IBT Max and very quickly I can see a temperature spike on HWMonitor. I seem to have two values for Core Temps. One is 1-2C higher in AVG compared to the other. That value is where I can see a temp spike of 100C+ very early on during my IBT run. I wondered if that was a bug so I switched to High LLC and ran IBT and there was no 100C+ temperature spike. This was even with vcore higher at 1.488v vs 1.464v of Ultra-High LLC. High LLC is now my go to for CPU LLC on an Asus board

.:edit:.

Well nevermind on the temp spikes. I'm almost completely sure the 'CPU 0 Package' in HWMonitor is inaccurate. I understand it's normal for temp spikes to happen but I think the reading/sensor on this particular value is wrong. My reasonings is because the minimum for CPU 0 Package is 0C which is not possible with an ambient temp ~20-22C and a H100i. Just to be sure I'll probably set my CPU at 4.5GHz and maybe even 4GHz and run IBT. If CPU 0 Package has temp spikes even at stock settings then it's bound to be a bad sensor for that setting. Luckily CPU 0 and CPU 0 Package is identical except the minimum/max temps.

Sounds like you ate reading core voltage at idle?

Even amd states it is not accurate at idle
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All these people getting married and having kids.

And I'm just here like "I need bigger GPU's"
>▪> sounds like a personal problem tongue.gif
Nah. Just don't want kids. At least not yet. There are too many nice shiny new things I want to own before I have to go spending hard earned $$$ on feeding another mouth.
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Not atm I am on mobile.

After I very home maybe I can find it.

Basically amd uses an algorithm to determine temp. At idle it is not accurate the more load is on the CPU the more accurate it is
(Vs an Intel which actually has thermistor in the die that give out true temp reading)
Basic rule of thumb is if core is under 40 use socket. If over use core.

**please note this is aiming you ate looking at core temp and not another figure

Ah thats what you meant. I thought you meant something else, something totally new that i did not know about. I'll put it this way. the 'CPU' temps given by the ITE chip is the Socket Temps for me. Then there is both 'CPU 0' and 'CPU 0 Package' which both seem to be Core Temps. Difference is one (CPU 0) shows a higher minimum temperature (14-18C) and no temperature spike (max 58C on 4.8GHz IBT) and the other (CPU 0 Package) shows a minimum temp of 0C and has a temp spike of 128-198C.

Seeing that CPU 0 Package has numbers that seem more false I want to believe that it is an inaccurate reading given to me compared to CPU 0. Socket temps between HWMonitor and HWInfo are identical pretty much to the min,current,max,avg. For Core temps it seems HWMonitor values seem to be a mix of CPU 0 and CPU 0 Package. Current value is the same and the minimum is similar. Most of the time when the Max temp spikes on CPU 0 Package it does too with HWMonitor but with different temperature values. I didn't notice the vast difference in some of the numbers I get between HWMonitor and HWInfo but now I am starting to see it. For example, I just set my CPU to 4GHz and began stressing it as I was writing this post. HWInfo is giving me core temps of 26C currently, 6C minimum, and 28C Max (Both CPU 0 and CPU 0 Package) but with HWMonitor almost immediately as IBT started I see a Max core temp of 64C. As I'm writing this CPU 0 Package just got a max reading of 160-224C. Thermal Margin 44C.

It's a bit confusing. 4GHz w/ 1.284v during load getting 64C let alone 160C temperature spike with an H100i push/pull with the SP120L at 2700RPM (LOUD) in a cool basement. Not sure what the problem is. Haven't updated HWMonitor or HWInfo in a while so I'll do that later tonight.
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After comparing High LLC vs Ultra-High LLC I still came to the conclusion that Ultra-High was the best. I thought in my initial testings both had temperature spikes, but I went back and tried High LLC again but I see less heat/voltage spikes. Was doing a 50 Run IBT Max and very quickly I can see a temperature spike on HWMonitor. I seem to have two values for Core Temps. One is 1-2C higher in AVG compared to the other. That value is where I can see a temp spike of 100C+ very early on during my IBT run. I wondered if that was a bug so I switched to High LLC and ran IBT and there was no 100C+ temperature spike. This was even with vcore higher at 1.488v vs 1.464v of Ultra-High LLC. High LLC is now my go to for CPU LLC on an Asus board

.:edit:.

Well nevermind on the temp spikes. I'm almost completely sure the 'CPU 0 Package' in HWMonitor is inaccurate. I understand it's normal for temp spikes to happen but I think the reading/sensor on this particular value is wrong. My reasonings is because the minimum for CPU 0 Package is 0C which is not possible with an ambient temp ~20-22C and a H100i. Just to be sure I'll probably set my CPU at 4.5GHz and maybe even 4GHz and run IBT. If CPU 0 Package has temp spikes even at stock settings then it's bound to be a bad sensor for that setting. Luckily CPU 0 and CPU 0 Package is identical except the minimum/max temps.

Sounds like you ate reading core voltage at idle?

Even amd states it is not accurate at idle
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All these people getting married and having kids.

And I'm just here like "I need bigger GPU's"
>▪> sounds like a personal problem tongue.gif
Nah. Just don't want kids. At least not yet. There are too many nice shiny new things I want to own before I have to go spending hard earned $$$ on feeding another mouth.

Not what I was commenting on. .. the" bigger" gpu issue
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CPU readings in HWmonitor is temp. indicated by SB-TSI bus and its max 61 degrees celsius for FX 125w chips.
It use algorithm to measure that and simulate temp. on very center of IHS.

At least i get that way.
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CPU readings in HWmonitor is temp. indicated by SB-TSI bus and its max 61 degrees celsius for FX 125w chips.
It use algorithm to measure that and simulate temp. on very center of IHS.

At least i get that way.

61C? I believe 70C-72C is the max core temp as that is where Thermal Margins change to 0C and negative C. My issue is that all 3 core temps given by HWMonitor/HWInfo are pretty much spot on to each other except the max temps.

.:edit:.

On another note I am going to need to get 3x 500GB or 3x 1TB to replace my 3x 250GB HDD in my system. Games are getting big and they are running out of space. 500gb/1TB for Origin, 500gb/1TB for Ubisoft, 500gb/1TB for Steam.
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