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1 you will burn out your fridge, 2 that case has great airflow
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990 FXA GD-80 by MSI runs cooler by 10C as reported.
990FXA-UD5 by Gigabyte.

I gave up the dream of a 5.0 GHz on air long time ago though. biggrin.gif
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1 you will burn out your fridge, 2 that case has great airflow

Ahh the fridge will be fine, got one running outside all the time. 95-105 degrees throughout the summer, it never shuts off.. thumb.gif And I don't see it having great airflow. It does move a lot of air through sure, but with the top 200 and rear 140 exhaust, it only has the 2 120s in the front mid/bottom section. Without modding (or using zip ties which is what I have done..) there's no direct airflow from the top front through the CPU cooler and out the back sadly. After hanging a fan in the 5.25 drive bays at the top, my temps went down a few degrees. It is a great case though, keeps the GPU cool! thumb.gif

I'll check out those motherboards. I do like MSI, but still getting over a bad RMA I had to do with them a couple years back. Would be nice to have something good to go with the 390X when I get it in the next year or so! biggrin.gif
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I'm not a huge fan of the custom water loops, and from what I've read here the CLCs aren't much better than something like the DH15. I got the Storm Trooper case specifically for these giant air coolers thumb.gif But I will see what happens I guess. I'll aim for 4.5, and worst case I test my wife's 8350 and if it does better then I secretly swap it out with mine devil.gif She only plays WoW and Minecraft and indie games anyway. I may also need to work more on case airflow... Been testing things out over the past month and have dropped the socket temp from 56 to 52. This case un-modded doesn't have great airflow through the upper section sadly.

Again, thanks for the advice and help! cheers.gif

Any recommendations on a good motherboard for the 8350? Preferable something not too pricey, but decent with overclocking. I'd like to try to hit 5gz on air! (I'll modify my mini fridge to push cold air into the case if I have to!) thumb.gif

Either move to watercooling with a custom loop or forget about 5ghz on air unless your PC is living outside in 10c or under. These chips produce too much heat and the simple fact is you need to keep them cool to hit 5ghz if the chip is able to do so.
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1 you will burn out your fridge, 2 that case has great airflow

Ahh the fridge will be fine, got one running outside all the time. 95-105 degrees throughout the summer, it never shuts off.. thumb.gif And I don't see it having great airflow. It does move a lot of air through sure, but with the top 200 and rear 140 exhaust, it only has the 2 120s in the front mid/bottom section. Without modding (or using zip ties which is what I have done..) there's no direct airflow from the top front through the CPU cooler and out the back sadly. After hanging a fan in the 5.25 drive bays at the top, my temps went down a few degrees. It is a great case though, keeps the GPU cool! thumb.gif

I'll check out those motherboards. I do like MSI, but still getting over a bad RMA I had to do with them a couple years back. Would be nice to have something good to go with the 390X when I get it in the next year or so! biggrin.gif

Ah stock fans. ... nvm....
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Either move to watercooling with a custom loop or forget about 5ghz on air unless your PC is living outside in 10c or under. These chips produce too much heat and the simple fact is you need to keep them cool to hit 5ghz if the chip is able to do so.

^^^^ That right there is exactly why I want to do it! biggrin.gif Everyone just shoots it down right away... There are plenty of ways to cool air down. Noise aside (doesn't bother me) and energy consumption aside (It's an AMD CPU thread, of course we don't care about electricity bills) it is very possible. thumb.gif Hell, even an old window air conditioner would cool air down to 10 C and could be pushed through the case. Not looking for full time 5ghz on air of course. Just to get it stable for a bit to say I did thumbsupsmiley.png
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Either move to watercooling with a custom loop or forget about 5ghz on air unless your PC is living outside in 10c or under. These chips produce too much heat and the simple fact is you need to keep them cool to hit 5ghz if the chip is able to do so.

^^^^ That right there is exactly why I want to do it! biggrin.gif Everyone just shoots it down right away... There are plenty of ways to cool air down. Noise aside (doesn't bother me) and energy consumption aside (It's an AMD CPU thread, of course we don't care about electricity bills) it is very possible. thumb.gif Hell, even an old window air conditioner would cool air down to 10 C and could be pushed through the case. Not looking for full time 5ghz on air of course. Just to get it stable for a bit to say I did thumbsupsmiley.png
As @FlailScHLAMP said I am on an Asus M5A99FX (close man. So close. wink.gif ) and while it is still substantially better than your board, i have done literally everything I can think of to try overcome the limits of this motherboard. Now for most people this board starts to take strain in the 4.6-4.7 region and tends to really max out at 4.8GHz. But that wasn't enough for me. So i set out on my quest for 5.0.

1. I added the stock 70mm CPU fan to my VRM's
2. I added a 120mm fan to help cool the back of the motherboard socket.
3. I modded the VRM heatsink so that I used screws instead of push pins to fasten it down in an attempt to provide better contact between the VRM's and the heatsink.
4. I replaced the thermal pads with Arctic MX-4 to try and improve temps. (I'm actually a little unsure of how good of a job I did here. So i will get some high end thermal pads soon and replace that all again.)
5. On the back of the ASUS 6+2 boards and higher there are Digi+ controllers. I went and added heatsinks to those in an attempt to cool those. (they can reach over 100C uncooled.)

Alas all of that netted me a stable 4.95GHz overclock. And this is at the boards absolute limit. The VRM's start tapping out cause they over heat. (even with socket temps well down.)

So Yeah boards do have their limits. And while you can overcome them to an extent, as mus1mus said it normally becomes an uphill battle.

When it comes to cooling FX the CLC's actually show their mettle well against air coolers. I was able to put down a rule of thumb for most coolers while observing what most people (who knew what they were doing) were getting with most air coolers. And it still holds true even with the new low leakage chips. The absolute best air coolers will get you to about 4.7GHz. But most 240mm CLC's will get you to 4.9GHz and sometimes beyond that. So do keep that in mind. The reason why it often seems air coolers are similar to CLC's is often because the heat load isn't enough to really make the coolers shine. They are usually reviewed on Intel which tend to run cooler anyway.

On the motherboard side. The MSI 990FXA-GD80 is one of the best boards out there. However. She is a tough board to learn to control. I had the gd-65 so I know where I am coming from. They have no LLC and also if I remember the BIOS limits you in terms of how much voltage you can use. So you have to use software to overclock further. So overclocking on the board isn't as straight forward as most people would like it to be.

If you want 5GHz contenders that are straight forward clockers here are some options!
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As @FlailScHLAMP said I am on an Asus M5A99FX (close man. So close. wink.gif ) and while it is still substantially better than your board, i have done literally everything I can think of to try overcome the limits of this motherboard. Now for most people this board starts to take strain in the 4.6-4.7 region and tends to really max out at 4.8GHz. But that wasn't enough for me. So i set out on my quest for 5.0.

1. I added the stock 70mm CPU fan to my VRM's
2. I added a 120mm fan to help cool the back of the motherboard socket.
3. I modded the VRM heatsink so that I used screws instead of push pins to fasten it down in an attempt to provide better contact between the VRM's and the heatsink.
4. I replaced the thermal pads with Arctic MX-4 to try and improve temps. (I'm actually a little unsure of how good of a job I did here. So i will get some high end thermal pads soon and replace that all again.)
5. On the back of the ASUS 6+2 boards and higher there are Digi+ controllers. I went and added heatsinks to those in an attempt to cool those. (they can reach over 100C uncooled.)

Alas all of that netted me a stable 4.95GHz overclock. And this is at the boards absolute limit. The VRM's start tapping out cause they over heat. (even with socket temps well down.)

So Yeah boards do have their limits. And while you can overcome them to an extent, as mus1mus said it normally becomes an uphill battle.

When it comes to cooling FX the CLC's actually show their mettle well against air coolers. I was able to put down a rule of thumb for most coolers while observing what most people (who knew what they were doing) were getting with most air coolers. And it still holds true even with the new low leakage chips. The absolute best air coolers will get you to about 4.7GHz. But most 240mm CLC's will get you to 4.9GHz and sometimes beyond that. So do keep that in mind. The reason why it often seems air coolers are similar to CLC's is often because the heat load isn't enough to really make the coolers shine. They are usually reviewed on Intel which tend to run cooler anyway.

On the motherboard side. The MSI 990FXA-GD80 is one of the best boards out there. However. She is a tough board to learn to control. I had the gd-65 so I know where I am coming from. They have no LLC and also if I remember the BIOS limits you in terms of how much voltage you can use. So you have to use software to overclock further. So overclocking on the board isn't as straight forward as most people would like it to be.

If you want 5GHz contenders that are straight forward clockers here are some options!
Crosshair V Formula-Z
Sabertooth.
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD5

What about the 990FXA-UD3 and the newer Gigabyte 990XA-UD3 R5? I was interested in the last one, but they say it's a bad board, any suggestion?
 
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As @FlailScHLAMP said I am on an Asus M5A99FX (close man. So close. wink.gif ) and while it is still substantially better than your board, i have done literally everything I can think of to try overcome the limits of this motherboard. Now for most people this board starts to take strain in the 4.6-4.7 region and tends to really max out at 4.8GHz. But that wasn't enough for me. So i set out on my quest for 5.0.

1. I added the stock 70mm CPU fan to my VRM's
2. I added a 120mm fan to help cool the back of the motherboard socket.
3. I modded the VRM heatsink so that I used screws instead of push pins to fasten it down in an attempt to provide better contact between the VRM's and the heatsink.
4. I replaced the thermal pads with Arctic MX-4 to try and improve temps. (I'm actually a little unsure of how good of a job I did here. So i will get some high end thermal pads soon and replace that all again.)
5. On the back of the ASUS 6+2 boards and higher there are Digi+ controllers. I went and added heatsinks to those in an attempt to cool those. (they can reach over 100C uncooled.)

Alas all of that netted me a stable 4.95GHz overclock. And this is at the boards absolute limit. The VRM's start tapping out cause they over heat. (even with socket temps well down.)

So Yeah boards do have their limits. And while you can overcome them to an extent, as mus1mus said it normally becomes an uphill battle.

When it comes to cooling FX the CLC's actually show their mettle well against air coolers. I was able to put down a rule of thumb for most coolers while observing what most people (who knew what they were doing) were getting with most air coolers. And it still holds true even with the new low leakage chips. The absolute best air coolers will get you to about 4.7GHz. But most 240mm CLC's will get you to 4.9GHz and sometimes beyond that. So do keep that in mind. The reason why it often seems air coolers are similar to CLC's is often because the heat load isn't enough to really make the coolers shine. They are usually reviewed on Intel which tend to run cooler anyway.

On the motherboard side. The MSI 990FXA-GD80 is one of the best boards out there. However. She is a tough board to learn to control. I had the gd-65 so I know where I am coming from. They have no LLC and also if I remember the BIOS limits you in terms of how much voltage you can use. So you have to use software to overclock further. So overclocking on the board isn't as straight forward as most people would like it to be.

If you want 5GHz contenders that are straight forward clockers here are some options!
Crosshair V Formula-Z
Sabertooth.
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD5

What about the 990FXA-UD3 and the newer Gigabyte 990XA-UD3 R5? I was interested in the last one, but they say it's a bad board, any suggestion?
990FXA-UD3 isn't usually a 5GHz contender. The older revisions as far as I am aware had overheating VRM problems and then the newer rev.4 was hardlocked in the BIOs to throttle on power draw. From what I have observed around, most UD3's also max out in the 4.8GHz region. I am unsure of the 990XA. I think this is only the second time I have heard about it. It is funny how all these new AM3+ boards are popping up lately. Think the board manufacturers know something we don't?
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Running Firestrike for the first time. I have MSI Afterburner + Rivatuner on and at most I only see 4 threads with double digit usage percentage and most of the times its about 3 cores with 10-22% and sometimes 30.

Wait that's only on the first 2 or 3 tests.

My score seems a bit low also when comparing to FlailScHLAMP's numbers for 4.7GHz. Mine was at 4.9GHz

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/6436475

To be fair CSSOriken, Johan, and myself put up some impressive sub 5ghz numbers.
@4.84ghz! (Click to show)
once Around 5ghz more ppl chip in scores lol
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Running Firestrike for the first time. I have MSI Afterburner + Rivatuner on and at most I only see 4 threads with double digit usage percentage and most of the times its about 3 cores with 10-22% and sometimes 30.

Wait that's only on the first 2 or 3 tests.

My score seems a bit low also when comparing to FlailScHLAMP's numbers for 4.7GHz. Mine was at 4.9GHz

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/6436475

OC your GPU

But then, you will need water.

And you will need larger rads if you OC your CPU and the GPU at once.

Then go for the PT Bios. And TRIXXX

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4315606

does we haz challenger?

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/3797981 wave2.gif

Maybe we haz challenger wink.gif

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4452762

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4031034
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