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As long as the nb is faster than the ram you're fine. That FS result I posted yesterday of the HTPC, the NB is only at 2400. For the most part anyfaster is just causing more heat IMO. Mind you when I bench I crank it as high as possible but day to day use you won't "see" much of a difference between 24 and 2600 IMO. The biggest thing is making sure the voltage is set correctly. If you use AIDA64 benchmark you'll see a difference i the bench by changing voltages for the CPU_NB same as your ram . Too high is just as bad as too low.
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As long as the nb is faster than the ram you're fine. That FS result I posted yesterday of the HTPC, the NB is only at 2400. For the most part anyfaster is just causing more heat IMO. Mind you when I bench I crank it as high as possible but day to day use you won't "see" much of a difference between 24 and 2600 IMO. The biggest thing is making sure the voltage is set correctly. If you use AIDA64 benchmark you'll see a difference i the bench by changing voltages for the CPU_NB same as your ram . Too high is just as bad as too low.

Hmm, good to know, cause 2400 is stable at 1.2v, and 2600 is stable on 1.3v.
I'd rather allocate that voltage/heat towards more core if I can.

I read that it is best to have the HT and the NB at the same speed..... any truth to that?
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As long as the nb is faster than the ram you're fine. That FS result I posted yesterday of the HTPC, the NB is only at 2400. For the most part anyfaster is just causing more heat IMO. Mind you when I bench I crank it as high as possible but day to day use you won't "see" much of a difference between 24 and 2600 IMO. The biggest thing is making sure the voltage is set correctly. If you use AIDA64 benchmark you'll see a difference i the bench by changing voltages for the CPU_NB same as your ram . Too high is just as bad as too low.

Hmm, good to know, cause 2400 is stable at 1.2v, and 2600 is stable on 1.3v.
I'd rather allocate that voltage/heat towards more core if I can.

I read that it is best to have the HT and the NB at the same speed..... any truth to that?
If there's a performance difference it's very slight and not something I really noticed. I did notice in one benchmark (only one I tested) while messing with high HT speeds that it seemed to have best performance when the HT and NB were 2 steps apart. but like I said it was a slight difference and nothing that would make a noticeable difference.
EDIT: here's a link but like I said it was limited testing http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/731320-Just-Putzen-Round?p=7654712&viewfull=1#post7654712
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Well I hit 5 ghz but it is ruff. Pics in the Sabertooth thread.
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If there's a performance difference it's very slight and not something I really noticed. I did notice in one benchmark (only one I tested) while messing with high HT speeds that it seemed to have best performance when the HT and NB were 2 steps apart. but like I said it was a slight difference and nothing that would make a noticeable difference.
EDIT: here's a link but like I said it was limited testing http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/731320-Just-Putzen-Round?p=7654712&viewfull=1#post7654712

That's not exactly true, games benefit from an higher NB, sure, it is 1-2 FPS at best, but the more, the merrier! (Until it's plausible, at least)
 
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If there's a performance difference it's very slight and not something I really noticed. I did notice in one benchmark (only one I tested) while messing with high HT speeds that it seemed to have best performance when the HT and NB were 2 steps apart. but like I said it was a slight difference and nothing that would make a noticeable difference.
EDIT: here's a link but like I said it was limited testing http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/731320-Just-Putzen-Round?p=7654712&viewfull=1#post7654712

That's not exactly true, games benefit from an higher NB, sure, it is 1-2 FPS at best, but the more, the merrier! (Until it's plausible, at least)

But the only time you would "see" it is if you had an underpowered card trying to run with max eye candy. Typically those kind of gains won't change the gameplay much if at all. Also this was the big part of my implication. IF you can drop the NB a bit save the heat and pulll a bit more core speed out of it which has the higher advantage ?
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I dunno, I've been digging a little, and the NB just seems to affect benchmarks more than anything else.
I'm not going to focus on the NB that much at this point.

From what I'm seeing, the core and RAM speed/timings are going to get me the most gains.
I will use 2400NB as a baseline number to test with. Once I find the best CPU/RAM settings with that, I'll give it a little push back to 2600 and see if it likes it.
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But the only time you would "see" it is if you had an underpowered card trying to run with max eye candy. Typically those kind of gains won't change the gameplay much if at all. Also this was the big part of my implication. IF you can drop the NB a bit save the heat and pulll a bit more core speed out of it which has the higher advantage ?

Seems plausible to me, since he seems to have a fine overclocker.

In my case though, the NB is the only advantage I can get when I am at 4.83 GHZ.
 
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Just don't confuse benchmarks with gaming or everyday use of a PC. I have my HTPC running at slightly over 4.7G, 2400 NB and 1600 Cl9 on the ram. With one GTX 770 I can play FarCry 4 on very high settings and it looks beautiful. When I play sometimes it runs for hours on end the last thing I want is for it to overheat. I can push it further sure but do I need too. This is what I'm trying to say.
Benchmarks take only a few minutes to run and yes I want that machined cranked to the t**s so that I can beat everyone else. That's just not realistic for a day to day set-up. This result is with 2x770GTXs In FarCry there still seems to be issues with SLI and Win8.1 I think. but as you can see the physics is a fine score reguardless of the slower NB and memory.

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The question for me won't be how far it will clock, but how much do I have to give up to get it there.

I'm not going to give up 1.5v for 4.9~ if I can get 4.8 on 1.4v, but I would give up 1.5v if I could get a 24/7 5GHz out of it biggrin.gif

Based on the gains I've gotten from 4.6 to 4.8, I can only imagine that this thing really comes alive at 5GHz.
I mean, to be honest, it was as if it completely woke up once I got to 4.8, so it's good to see some scaling still present, even though it's a highly diminished return from power usage (though not as bad with these chips apparently).
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