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Question. 100MHz CPU vs 400MHz NB. In detail 5GHz CPU, 2200MHz NB vs 4.9GHz CPU vs 2600MHz NB. Which do you think would provide a bigger boost for gaming. Obviously both will be small.

Just saw the 970A Krait for the first time. Like the look but seems to be only 4 phases for the CPU Power Phase/Delivery.
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The question for me won't be how far it will clock, but how much do I have to give up to get it there.

I'm not going to give up 1.5v for 4.9~ if I can get 4.8 on 1.4v, but I would give up 1.5v if I could get a 24/7 5GHz out of it biggrin.gif

Based on the gains I've gotten from 4.6 to 4.8, I can only imagine that this thing really comes alive at 5GHz.
I mean, to be honest, it was as if it completely woke up once I got to 4.8, so it's good to see some scaling still present, even though it's a highly diminished return from power usage (though not as bad with these chips apparently).

Yeah, when they can, those chips SHINE at 5 GHZ, plus, they seem to age FAR better than their Intel counterparts (aka I5 XXXXY).

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see the "old" FX chips as a renovated choice for DX12 gamers thumb.gif
 
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Question. 100MHz CPU vs 400MHz NB. In detail 5GHz CPU, 2200MHz NB vs 4.9GHz CPU vs 2600MHz NB. Which do you think would provide a bigger boost for gaming. Obviously both will be small.

Just saw the 970A Krait for the first time. Like the look but seems to be only 4 phases for the CPU Power Phase/Delivery.

CPU, no question. CPU-NB hardly does anything on FX chips. I have noticed however, that overclocking the CPU-NB on FX chips does not heat up the core as much as it did on Phenom chips. Go with the CPU speed, unless those extra 100MHz are heating up your core too much or they need insane amounts of volts compared to the bump in CPU-NB.
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CPU, no question. CPU-NB hardly does anything on FX chips. I have noticed however, that overclocking the CPU-NB on FX chips does not heat up the core as much as it did on Phenom chips. Go with the CPU speed, unless those extra 100MHz are heating up your core too much or they need insane amounts of volts compared to the bump in CPU-NB.

This!

Testing new settings now, and the proof is in the pudding. thumb.gif

Think about it this way; you get that 100MHz on 8 threads, you get that 400MHz of NB on a single IMC, and the IMC on the FX, seems to already demonstrate enough bandwidth in stock form (unlike thuban, that had a much weaker IMC), to handle RAM clocked as high, or almost as high as it is.
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CPU, no question. CPU-NB hardly does anything on FX chips. I have noticed however, that overclocking the CPU-NB on FX chips does not heat up the core as much as it did on Phenom chips. Go with the CPU speed, unless those extra 100MHz are heating up your core too much or they need insane amounts of volts compared to the bump in CPU-NB.

I agree that CPU/NB voltage doesn't heat up that much. I only need 1.25v for 2600MHZ though. I tried 5GHz with 2200MHz NB but with offset voltage, high LLC it's a bit harder to get it stable and the max temp hit 70.5C on IBT Max 50. The best I can do is use FSB to get 4.9GHz as high as possible while being stable.
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I agree that CPU/NB voltage doesn't heat up that much. I only need 1.25v for 2600MHZ though. I tried 5GHz with 2200MHz NB but with offset voltage, high LLC it's a bit harder to get it stable and the max temp hit 70.5C on IBT Max 50. The best I can do is use FSB to get 4.9GHz as high as possible while being stable.

Well, NB should be considered only when using a lower-end, air cooler (212 EVO, anyone?)

In that case, even the slightest NB overclock can cause up to 6 °C more heat, which makes a difference, since the 212 EVO is oversized crap.
 
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RAID, without a real raid card, is just a really awesome ironic death ( of your data )
You may be right, however,I was thankfully able to get it working, and am testing out the new cooling... Already have 4.8 20 pass stable, trying 4.9 now wink.gif

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Ya know cssorkinman, I think it started before that TBH this 8320 was 1411

LL

LL

Should I consider getting a new chip and actually sell this one? It is a really bad overclocker after all. And it refuses to get over 4.85 GHZ stable (even though, considering the voltage, it may be caused by the crappyness of the M5A97 EVO R2), ib fact anything over 1.56 V seems to cause constant freezes regardless of the situation. I wonder if it's because the notherboard can't handle such voltage

Budget parts = budget results... which part of yours is budget??
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Anyone have a solid read on NB/HT scaling versus RAM speed/core speed on the vishera?

I know the NB won't climb like thuban, and I also know it's not quite as impactful, but I am wondering if there is a sweet spot for NB versus the overall core speed....

For example, my x6 @ 4.0GHz performed best with the NB at 2.8GHz, but at 4.2GHz, it liked 2.95~ better.

I am currently running 2600/2600 for NB and HT with 1.3v CPU-NB.
RAM is at 2133 (11-11-11-31).

I'll be tweaking the RAM last, since nailing down the lowest stable timings can be more timely than anything else....
For now I just want to get the most commonly used NB/HT combination for best performance stable, so I have a good test bed for dialing the RAM in.

My CPU core speed is at 4.8 right now, but I'm pretty sure I'll have 4.9+ tweaked solid by this evening wink.gif

its not that simple, depend on ram, board and chip, no one will be able to tell you exactly what to set,,, only where to start and usually in the same area of town if you follow my meaning.,
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Just don't confuse benchmarks with gaming or everyday use of a PC. I have my HTPC running at slightly over 4.7G, 2400 NB and 1600 Cl9 on the ram. With one GTX 770 I can play FarCry 4 on very high settings and it looks beautiful. When I play sometimes it runs for hours on end the last thing I want is for it to overheat. I can push it further sure but do I need too. This is what I'm trying to say.
Benchmarks take only a few minutes to run and yes I want that machined cranked to the t**s so that I can beat everyone else. That's just not realistic for a day to day set-up. This result is with 2x770GTXs In FarCry there still seems to be issues with SLI and Win8.1 I think. but as you can see the physics is a fine score reguardless of the slower NB and memory. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

the Bolded and Highlighted part is what you need to take out of this. @ others not johan.


for 1600/cl9 more then 2400mhz would be a waste.
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Question. 100MHz CPU vs 400MHz NB. In detail 5GHz CPU, 2200MHz NB vs 4.9GHz CPU vs 2600MHz NB. Which do you think would provide a bigger boost for gaming. Obviously both will be small.

Just saw the 970A Krait for the first time. Like the look but seems to be only 4 phases for the CPU Power Phase/Delivery.

you are forgetting major factors here.. FSB, Ram, these have a large effect.. there is no equation to really help you but the equation to figure out mem timings

https://forum-en.msi.com/faq/article/ddr3-memory-timings-explained
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Question. 100MHz CPU vs 400MHz NB. In detail 5GHz CPU, 2200MHz NB vs 4.9GHz CPU vs 2600MHz NB. Which do you think would provide a bigger boost for gaming. Obviously both will be small.

Just saw the 970A Krait for the first time. Like the look but seems to be only 4 phases for the CPU Power Phase/Delivery.

CPU, no question. CPU-NB hardly does anything on FX chips. I have noticed however, that overclocking the CPU-NB on FX chips does not heat up the core as much as it did on Phenom chips. Go with the CPU speed, unless those extra 100MHz are heating up your core too much or they need insane amounts of volts compared to the bump in CPU-NB.

o.0 uh huh...
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Thanks for the backup melcar thumb.gif You too Flail, I just saw that you posted. I was outside getting some "fresh" air ha ha rolleyes.gif
I wasn't saying don't do it but it's second choice after core speed.
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Budget parts = budget results... which part of yours is budget??

Well, I guess the biggest problem should be the motherboard, which doesn't handle very well anything over 1.57 V, but in reality the problem is my CPU, which needs WAY too much voltage to get stable (1.55 V on High LLC for 4.83 GHz is unacceptable).

Which is why I'm selling my CPU to buy a new one, hoping that my post-1429 CPU will be far better than my 1335 CPU.
 
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Thanks for the backup melcar thumb.gif You too Flail, I just saw that you posted. I was outside getting some "fresh" air ha ha rolleyes.gif
I wasn't saying don't do it but it's second choice after core speed.

its getting nice out there..
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