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So if I set a FSB higher than 240 than I can't theoretically run NB lower than 2640MHz as that is the lowest NB Multiplier other than UNSUPPORTED. Are you guys just running a NB higher than 2600MHz? How is 300 FSB possible? My minimum NB would have to be 3300MHz.
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Yeah not sure what happened. All I know is I set FSB to 300 but a lot of the values were still unsupported. Then I went and changed HT to something else and went back to NB and saw a bunch of lower values were now available/shown

Tried 320-325 won't boot, same with 267. Like going easter egg hunting as a child but finding a empty egg because the people hiding the eggs were stealing the candy.

Going to start from 229. Need to keep RAM as close to 2133MHz as possible. Also checking out 5GHz again, though I doubt I can pull off 50 Runs.

I think you need to slow down and Finesse your overclock.. you appear to be all over the place.





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Well woke up and was praying on my way to my PC that my 50 Test IBT Max run was succesfull. To my excitement 5GHz at 200FSB passed all 50 Tests with Positive numbers and also resulted in not taking screens. This would be the first time it passed a full 50 Test. BUT (yes a big but), from looking at my HWInfo64 it seems the CPU did throttle down as low as 4.998GHz somtime during the 50 IBT Max Run. I believe I had HWInfo log the values during this test so I'm going to see if I can take a look at them. One way I know it's more stable than my previous try at 5GHz is that NBA 2K15 in the past with 5GHz FPS was in the 40s normally. FPS is back to 60FPS normally with some dips to 59.7 or with VSync off in the 100+. Next is to try my hands at AC:U which use to crash crazy with my unstable 5GHz. Might try the same with Far Cry but never tried it at 5GHz.

FSb fluctuations, it happens, nothing to be concerned about here.




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I bit the bullet and upgraded to a i7-4790k, for all those who are considering making the jump from a massively overclocked fx-8XXX I would say just get a better GPU or two. The biggest difference between my overclocked 4790k vs 8350 is minimum fps, the intel chip does a much better job of maintaining your fps, which in some cases creates a better gaming experience. But for the games like Crysis 3 and Battlefield 4 I am not seeing any improvements at all. If you are building a 1080p rig a fx-8320 and used r9-290/290x from ebay is still the way the to go.

Just my 2 cents.

Kind of agree.

For all you FireStrike users. Benchmarks like Cinebench and AIDA64 (excluding ones heavily related to memory) has improved. But Firestrike scores has dropped overall with 5GHz. I was wondering if NB frequency makes a large difference in Fire Strike as I went from 2600MHz to 2200MHz. Fire Strike and AIDA's CPU PhotoWorxx/Memory Read/Write/Copy/Latency are the only benchmarks where I see drops in values. For the AIDA benchmarks that are coming up with lower numbers they are by 1000-3000 mpixels/s or MB/s.


yes, what are you trying to do with your machine? working with it or gaming with it?


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I looked at my HWInfo Logfile and saw some interesting things. 5016MHz-5018MHz is my CPU speed majority of the time. I see two consecutive instances of CPU frequency dropping to 4998MHz in the log (for around 1-2 second). So the CPU dropped about 20MHz for about 2-4 seconds during my IBT Max 50 Run. Second thing is I have CPU vcore set to 1.543v or 1.548v in the BIOS but when the CPU is loaded it runs at 1.56v. Additionally there are occasional spikes to 1.572v. I might try lowering the vcore a notch (.006v) and see if I can prevent the 1.572 spikes. Additionally I wonder if I can run 5GHz at a lower vcore like 1.55V but I have my doubts.

.:edit:.

Dropped vcore .006v and set NB back to 2600MHz with +.0875v CPU/NB. Going to start another run of IBT and go out of the house for a few hours. Hopefully nothing burns and it's successful.

it would be a good idea to full stabilize a lower overclock before moving on.

and Bios screen shot will help ppl help you.
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I bit the bullet and upgraded to a i7-4790k, for all those who are considering making the jump from a massively overclocked fx-8XXX I would say just get a better GPU or two. The biggest difference between my overclocked 4790k vs 8350 is minimum fps, the intel chip does a much better job of maintaining your fps, which in some cases creates a better gaming experience. But for the games like Crysis 3 and Battlefield 4 I am not seeing any improvements at all. If you are building a 1080p rig a fx-8320 and used r9-290/290x from ebay is still the way the to go.

Just my 2 cents.

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I don't currently own one, but I am currently looking at a AMD FX-8320 Vishera CPU for my next build/update on my rig. What are your guys' thoughts and opinions about it?

Thanks!
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I don't currently own one, but I am currently looking at a AMD FX-8320 Vishera CPU for my next build/update on my rig. What are your guys' thoughts and opinions about it?

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It overclocks the same as an 8350, or slightly less if you are unlucky. It's a better bang for the buck right after the 8300
 
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I don't currently own one, but I am currently looking at a AMD FX-8320 Vishera CPU for my next build/update on my rig. What are your guys' thoughts and opinions about it?

Thanks!

All things considered, it's arguably the best value out there for the $130 it sells for. Properly matched with a decent supporting cast , and a moderate overclock, it can provide an experience that will rival chips costing more than twice as much.
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It overclocks the same as an 8350, or slightly less if you are unlucky. It's a better bang for the buck right after the 8300
Interesting!
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All things considered, it's arguably the best value out there for the $130 it sells for. Properly matched with a decent supporting cast , and a moderate overclock, it can provide an experience that will rival chips costing more than twice as much.
I agree, the price point for it's specs were what caught my eye.

Do you think a MSI 970 Gaming Motherboard would suit well with this CPU? Or should I look for a different Mobo?

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Interesting!
I agree, the price point for it's specs were what caught my eye.

Do you think a MSI 970 Gaming Motherboard would suit well with this CPU? Or should I look for a different Mobo?

Thanks

Avoid MSI at any cost for your price point, if you're on a budget either gen a M5A97 EVO R2.0 or a 970A-UD3P, they're still the most reliable 970 motherboards out there.

Beware though, if you get a bad chip, don't even bother trying for 5 GHZ on a M5A97 EVO R2.0, it's a good board, but it's simply not suited for anything over 1.54 V.

I can't tell you much about the UD3P, I heard the BIOS sucks and it's hardcoded to automatically throttle after a well-set power draw (this doesn't happen with the M5A97 EVO BTW), but it may be able to get a stabler overclock(?)

But AVOID that 970 gaming at any cost, people have seen those boards catching on fire because of the bad VRMs. So yeah, don't bother to risk, unless you are planning for a little overclock (anything under 4.6 GHZ should be "safe").

But even in that case, I would avoid MSI, unless you plan for a GD65 or a GD80.
 
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Avoid MSI at any cost for your price point, if you're on a budget either gen a M5A97 EVO R2.0 or a 970A-UD3P, they're still the most reliable 970 motherboards out there.

Beware though, if you get a bad chip, don't even bother trying for 5 GHZ on a M5A97 EVO R2.0, it's a good board, but it's simply not suited for anything over 1.54 V.

I can't tell you much about the UD3P, I heard the BIOS sucks and it's hardcoded to automatically throttle after a well-set power draw (this doesn't happen with the M5A97 EVO BTW), but it may be able to get a stabler overclock(?)

But AVOID that 970 gaming at any cost, people have seen those boards catching on fire because of the bad VRMs. So yeah, don't bother to risk, unless you are planning for a little overclock (anything under 4.6 GHZ should be "safe").

But even in that case, I would avoid MSI, unless you plan for a GD65 or a GD80.
WOW GLAD I ASKED. I was about to buy the MSI 970...

I'll definitely look into the other two motherboards. Is there anyway to determine I have a good/bad chip?

Also, how is the Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 mobo? I was between the MSI 970 and this one, but the 970 is gone for sure after what you told me about fires... The only thing I didn't like about it was the use of Esata ports. They aren't bad, but I just don't really see a use of them in my case.
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WOW GLAD I ASKED. I was about to buy the MSI 970...

I'll definitely look into the other two motherboards. Is there anyway to determine I have a good/bad chip?

Also, how is the Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 mobo? I was between the MSI 970 and this one, but the 970 is gone for sure after what you told me about fires... The only thing I didn't like about it was the use of Esata ports. They aren't bad, but I just don't really see a use of them in my case.

The UD3 should also be hardcoded to prevent you from OCing too much, plus I haven't heard really good things about gigabyte these days.

But maybe other users from this forum can tell you more, The mothernoards I own/owned are a 990FX Extreme3 and two M5A97 EVO R2.0, and I can only tell you this:

Also avoid ASRock if you're planning on a massive overclock, their PCB is thin (do you like hearing crackling noises when touching your motherboard? Well, I don't.) and they lack an important function for overclocking called LLC (Load Line Calibration). Also they offer terrible power phases for the price (4+1 power phase in my old 990FX Extreme3, I couldn't even use my 8350 without VRM Throttling).

ASUS is no better by any means, they offer really good motherboards, but the M5A99X/FX boards really lack (in my opinion) anything to prefer them over a M5A97 EVO R2.0... so yeah, the only difference is the ASUS Sabertooth (which costs much more than a M5A97 EVO R2.0) and the CHV for extreme overclocking.

As for the good/bad chip, is all about luck, and possibly batch numbers. I own a 1335 (2013, 35th week) FX-8350 which is a TERRIBLE chip (1.56ish V for 4.9 GHZ), while the newer chips (those made after 1429, 2014, Week 29) seem to do way better, but again, it's all about LUCK.

Also E chips seem good overclockers all in all.

If I'm saying wrong things, please correct me, I'm just trying to help here.
 
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I think you need to slow down and Finesse your overclock.. you appear to be all over the place.
FSb fluctuations, it happens, nothing to be concerned about here.
yes, what are you trying to do with your machine? working with it or gaming with it?
it would be a good idea to full stabilize a lower overclock before moving on.

and Bios screen shot will help ppl help you.

You never fail to amaze me when you take your time to provide help. Thanks. I'll start off.

This machine is mainly for gaming. May do some photo work on it later. But currently it is filled with 100GBs of games. Thanks for mentioning FSB fluctuations, knew it happened and was never really worried about it, happened on my FM2+ mobo also.

I appreciate you being worried but I have things down well enough. You may not have known because of the jumble I posted recently about FSB OCing and 5GHz but I have fully stabilized lower OCs already that I've spent hours upon hours and days on each OC. I have found the lowest voltage stable voltages of these speeds (4GHz (1.27v), 4.5GHz (1.356v), 4.7GHz (1.428v), 4.8GHz (1.464v), 4.9GHz (1.512v)). What have I done to test stability for these OCs? Multiple runs of IBT Maximum 50 Runs (not including even more shorter 10,20,30 runs before going for 50 and did this for Very High also), 8+ hours of Prime95 (Small FFT and Blend), 8+ hours of OCCT, 8+ hours of AIDA, Benchmarking, Gaming, Compressing/Decompressing files). I do this for each CPU frequency I mentioned so it takes a few days for me to test stability and feel confident of my clocks. I have tested the speeds I stated previously with Manual voltage and Offset voltage. With High LLC and Ultra High LLC. With 2200MHz NB and 2600MHz NB. Finally I have tested all my OCs at 1600MHz CL11/13 timings and with 2133MHz CL 9 Timings (Ram went through 8+ hours of Memtest86+ and 2 1/2 pass through of memtest). So before I go on to talk about FSB OCing and 5GHz just know that I have perfectly stable OCs from 4GHz-4.9GHz that are even Temp stable (stay under max temps).

I only dabbled with FSB OCing for the FX chips and only out of curiosity. I used Excel to make the list of optimal CPU/RAM/NB/HT frequencies for each FSB starting from 200-300. Tried 325, 320, 280, and 260 while keeping CPU, RAM, NB, HT as close to my fully stable OC settings. Computer failed to boot so I had to force shutdown and enter the BIOS. 240 is the highest FSB that is bootable that I tested but again it's not optimal as I have to run my NB/RAM/HT higher than I would like. 226 was the FSB I chose upon and tested it at 4.9GHz and it passed 50 runs of IBT AVX Maximum.

Some people talk about having a little more luck getting higher OCs FSB OCing so I went for 5GHz which wasn't possible before with 2260 FSB. Tried it at the same vcore as 4.9GHz and it failed around test 5. So I raised the vcore by .01v -.02v, surprisingly the 50 run IBT Max was successful except the fact Max temp was over 70C. Additionally I tested with CnQ enabled with Power Saving power options so in between tests the CPU frequency and vcore dropped. Because of that I set my power setting to High Performance which keeps my CPU at 5GHz and my set voltage and I ran 50 Runs of IBT again. This time I did not see my CPU drop speeds or voltage below the 1.54/1.56v it required to run 5GHz. Not really being interested in FSB OCing I changed my FSB back to 200, set CPU to 5GHz, 2133MHz RAM, 2600MHz HT, and 2200MHz NB and started another IBT 50 Maximum run before I slept. Woke up checked my computer the IBT run was successful again but again my max core temp peaked over 70C again. Additionally all 8-cores dropped about 20MHz for about 4 seconds total during the several hour IBT run. After that I ran Cinebench, AIDA Benchmarks, Firestrike, and played a few games. Last time I thought I had 5Ghz stable I learned it wasn't. Cinebench scores of 5GHz came out lower than 4.8GHz, and even worse I got worse FPS on 5GHz compared to 4.9GHz/4.8GHz. This time around my 5GHz OC scored better than all my previous OCs, scored higher on all the AIDA benchmarks, and did not have the low performance my previously unstable OC suffered. Only thing the 5GHz OC suffered in was benchmarks that were heavily related to memory. Why did it suffer? Because I was running 2200MHz NB compared to the 2600MHz I was running in my previous daily OC settings. Because of that I set my NB to 2600MHz, lowered my CPU vcore by .006v and ran another IBT 50 Max run and left the computer for a while. I just came back from work and the IBT run was successful again. This time the highest HWInfo detected my CPU vcore was 1.56 instead of 1.572 spikes (+1). Now I will be running some benchmarks again to see if the 2600MHz NB allows the 5GHz OC to score better in memory related tests compared to 4.9GHz with 2600MHz NB.

Sorry for the long writing. Had to sort of prove that (to Flail) I had the hang of things as far as multiplier OCing and that FSB OCing was only a side interest as I thought 4.9GHz was my max. Glad you tried to help on the question i was asking late last night or early this morning but I ended up figuring things out after playing with settings.

.:edit:.

Here is a screenshot of what seems to be my latest successful IBT Max 50 Run with 5GHz, 2133MHz (9-10-10-27), 2600MHz NB/HT. As you can see the only negative things I see is that Core Temps hit 80C (ouch) and that CPU Frequency dropped to ~4980MHz during the stress testing. Not so much worried as I shouldn't hit those temps while gaming. I don't really benchmark, fold, mine, etc. If I'm not gaming I'm web browsing/watching videos most of the times on this PC. If you see a problem in my screenshot (Flail) or anyone else leave me a reply


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