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Did about 6 hr so far of prime95-blend test at 4.8Ghz, 283-FSB, 2271-NB, 2555-HT, 1892-RAM. The temps are pretty warm, but not terrible. Very similar to what I see with IBT (surprized), although this is not a full out Small FFT test. (I am just getting my feet wet with high FSB OC's) Any criticism/advice is welcomed.

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Originally Posted by xKrNMBoYx View Post

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I think you need to slow down and Finesse your overclock.. you appear to be all over the place.
FSb fluctuations, it happens, nothing to be concerned about here.
yes, what are you trying to do with your machine? working with it or gaming with it?
it would be a good idea to full stabilize a lower overclock before moving on.

and Bios screen shot will help ppl help you.

You never fail to amaze me when you take your time to provide help. Thanks. I'll start off.

This machine is mainly for gaming. May do some photo work on it later. But currently it is filled with 100GBs of games. Thanks for mentioning FSB fluctuations, knew it happened and was never really worried about it, happened on my FM2+ mobo also. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I appreciate you being worried but I have things down well enough. You may not have known because of the jumble I posted recently about FSB OCing and 5GHz but I have fully stabilized lower OCs already that I've spent hours upon hours and days on each OC. I have found the lowest voltage stable voltages of these speeds (4GHz (1.27v), 4.5GHz (1.356v), 4.7GHz (1.428v), 4.8GHz (1.464v), 4.9GHz (1.512v)). What have I done to test stability for these OCs? Multiple runs of IBT Maximum 50 Runs (not including even more shorter 10,20,30 runs before going for 50 and did this for Very High also), 8+ hours of Prime95 (Small FFT and Blend), 8+ hours of OCCT, 8+ hours of AIDA, Benchmarking, Gaming, Compressing/Decompressing files). I do this for each CPU frequency I mentioned so it takes a few days for me to test stability and feel confident of my clocks. I have tested the speeds I stated previously with Manual voltage and Offset voltage. With High LLC and Ultra High LLC. With 2200MHz NB and 2600MHz NB. Finally I have tested all my OCs at 1600MHz CL11/13 timings and with 2133MHz CL 9 Timings (Ram went through 8+ hours of Memtest86+ and 2 1/2 pass through of memtest). So before I go on to talk about FSB OCing and 5GHz just know that I have perfectly stable OCs from 4GHz-4.9GHz that are even Temp stable (stay under max temps).

I only dabbled with FSB OCing for the FX chips and only out of curiosity. I used Excel to make the list of optimal CPU/RAM/NB/HT frequencies for each FSB starting from 200-300. Tried 325, 320, 280, and 260 while keeping CPU, RAM, NB, HT as close to my fully stable OC settings. Computer failed to boot so I had to force shutdown and enter the BIOS. 240 is the highest FSB that is bootable that I tested but again it's not optimal as I have to run my NB/RAM/HT higher than I would like. 226 was the FSB I chose upon and tested it at 4.9GHz and it passed 50 runs of IBT AVX Maximum.

Some people talk about having a little more luck getting higher OCs FSB OCing so I went for 5GHz which wasn't possible before with 2260 FSB. Tried it at the same vcore as 4.9GHz and it failed around test 5. So I raised the vcore by .01v -.02v, surprisingly the 50 run IBT Max was successful except the fact Max temp was over 70C. Additionally I tested with CnQ enabled with Power Saving power options so in between tests the CPU frequency and vcore dropped. Because of that I set my power setting to High Performance which keeps my CPU at 5GHz and my set voltage and I ran 50 Runs of IBT again. This time I did not see my CPU drop speeds or voltage below the 1.54/1.56v it required to run 5GHz. Not really being interested in FSB OCing I changed my FSB back to 200, set CPU to 5GHz, 2133MHz RAM, 2600MHz HT, and 2200MHz NB and started another IBT 50 Maximum run before I slept. Woke up checked my computer the IBT run was successful again but again my max core temp peaked over 70C again. Additionally all 8-cores dropped about 20MHz for about 4 seconds total during the several hour IBT run. After that I ran Cinebench, AIDA Benchmarks, Firestrike, and played a few games. Last time I thought I had 5Ghz stable I learned it wasn't. Cinebench scores of 5GHz came out lower than 4.8GHz, and even worse I got worse FPS on 5GHz compared to 4.9GHz/4.8GHz. This time around my 5GHz OC scored better than all my previous OCs, scored higher on all the AIDA benchmarks, and did not have the low performance my previously unstable OC suffered. Only thing the 5GHz OC suffered in was benchmarks that were heavily related to memory. Why did it suffer? Because I was running 2200MHz NB compared to the 2600MHz I was running in my previous daily OC settings. Because of that I set my NB to 2600MHz, lowered my CPU vcore by .006v and ran another IBT 50 Max run and left the computer for a while. I just came back from work and the IBT run was successful again. This time the highest HWInfo detected my CPU vcore was 1.56 instead of 1.572 spikes (+1). Now I will be running some benchmarks again to see if the 2600MHz NB allows the 5GHz OC to score better in memory related tests compared to 4.9GHz with 2600MHz NB.

Sorry for the long writing. Had to sort of prove that (to Flail) I had the hang of things as far as multiplier OCing and that FSB OCing was only a side interest as I thought 4.9GHz was my max. Glad you tried to help on the question i was asking late last night or early this morning but I ended up figuring things out after playing with settings.

.:edit:.

Here is a screenshot of what seems to be my latest successful IBT Max 50 Run with 5GHz, 2133MHz (9-10-10-27), 2600MHz NB/HT. As you can see the only negative things I see is that Core Temps hit 80C (ouch) and that CPU Frequency dropped to ~4980MHz during the stress testing. Not so much worried as I shouldn't hit those temps while gaming. I don't really benchmark, fold, mine, etc. If I'm not gaming I'm web browsing/watching videos most of the times on this PC. If you see a problem in my screenshot (Flail) or anyone else leave me a reply


glad you got yourself sorted.

few observations, you can try upping your VDDA, as well as your HT voltage. might suggest knocking the llc on the NB down a little bit
shouldn't really need over 1.3,

if ram becomes an issue try 9-11-10-28 or 9-10-10-29, but that is an IF you run into issues, would like so see the tertiary timings and dividers but i assume they are on auto
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glad you got yourself sorted.

few observations, you can try upping your VDDA, as well as your HT voltage. might suggest knocking the llc on the NB down a little bit
shouldn't really need over 1.3,

if ram becomes an issue try 9-11-10-28 or 9-10-10-29, but that is an IF you run into issues, would like so see the tertiary timings and dividers but i assume they are on auto

Thanks again. I'll try knocking the LLC down for the NB a little. As for VDDA I have it on auto but I believe the motherboard usually sets it to 2.5XXv. As for RAM I used to run 9-11-10-28 for majority of the past as that is what the 2133MHz version of my 2400MHz use for timings. I dropped it down to 9-10-10-25 though and it seemed stable (memtest+memtest86+ibt). Yeah I have not touched my RAM timings other than the first 4 values.

So my to do list:
- Knock CPU/NB LLC down a bit or just run 2200MHz NB
- Loosen timings back to 9-11-10-28
- Try adding some VDDA/HT voltage (will have to see how much is recommended)

How much is a good tiny increase for VDDA/HT voltage?

.:edit:.

For now I upped VDDA by .1 so ~2.512v to ~2.612v. Second I set CPU/NB LLC from High to Regular but CPU/NB Vcore still goes above 1.3 as CPU/NB voltage fluctuates quite a bit. This is with CPU/NB as +.08750 which is suppose to be about 2.5v.
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Well woke up and was praying on my way to my PC that my 50 Test IBT Max run was succesfull. To my excitement 5GHz at 200FSB passed all 50 Tests with Positive numbers and also resulted in not taking screens. This would be the first time it passed a full 50 Test. BUT (yes a big but), from looking at my HWInfo64 it seems the CPU did throttle down as low as 4.998GHz somtime during the 50 IBT Max Run. I believe I had HWInfo log the values during this test so I'm going to see if I can take a look at them. One way I know it's more stable than my previous try at 5GHz is that NBA 2K15 in the past with 5GHz FPS was in the 40s normally. FPS is back to 60FPS normally with some dips to 59.7 or with VSync off in the 100+. Next is to try my hands at AC:U which use to crash crazy with my unstable 5GHz. Might try the same with Far Cry but never tried it at 5GHz.

Sounds normal fyi
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Sounds normal fyi

What sounds normal? The slight change in CPU Frequency? Crashing in games, etc?
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The UD3 should also be hardcoded to prevent you from OCing too much, plus I haven't heard really good things about gigabyte these days.

But maybe other users from this forum can tell you more, The mothernoards I own/owned are a 990FX Extreme3 and two M5A97 EVO R2.0, and I can only tell you this:

Also avoid ASRock if you're planning on a massive overclock, their PCB is thin (do you like hearing crackling noises when touching your motherboard? Well, I don't.) and they lack an important function for overclocking called LLC (Load Line Calibration). Also they offer terrible power phases for the price (4+1 power phase in my old 990FX Extreme3, I couldn't even use my 8350 without VRM Throttling).

ASUS is no better by any means, they offer really good motherboards, but the M5A99X/FX boards really lack (in my opinion) anything to prefer them over a M5A97 EVO R2.0... so yeah, the only difference is the ASUS Sabertooth (which costs much more than a M5A97 EVO R2.0) and the CHV for extreme overclocking.

As for the good/bad chip, is all about luck, and possibly batch numbers. I own a 1335 (2013, 35th week) FX-8350 which is a TERRIBLE chip (1.56ish V for 4.9 GHZ), while the newer chips (those made after 1429, 2014, Week 29) seem to do way better, but again, it's all about LUCK.

Also E chips seem good overclockers all in all.

If I'm saying wrong things, please correct me, I'm just trying to help here.
Hmm.. Well reading up alittle more, I think I may end up getting the UD3. While you said it's hardcoded to prevent me from OCing too much, I don't think I'll OC too heavily. Things will probably change down the road, but so will the advancement in technology. smile.gif Also, it just seems like there isn't really a one mobo is better than the other at the price range i'm looking at.

Don't worry, I've also looked into the M5A97 EVO R2.0, but; 1) don't think I could deal with the blue. 2) the internal sata ports point up, rather than to the side like the UD3.

Good to know for the good/bad chip as well. Hopefully I can get one of the newer chips. Thanks for your help! thumb.gif
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do your self the favor and get a ud5

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yes the fsb fluctuations
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Yep. Dont bother with a UD3 for Octa-Core CPUs.
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What sounds normal? The slight change in CPU Frequency? Crashing in games, etc?

the slight change in cpu frequency is normal it was probity there at stock but you just did not notice

so your fsb dropped to 199.92 which is an -0.0004% dip well with in spec 199.92*25=4998mhz that is also not throttling. throttling is when the multiplier and voltage lower to prevent components form overheating if your chip was throttling more than likely you would have encounterd an dip to ~1 or ~2ghz finally games crashing with an unstable oc is normal but that is expected
sound like you have an good 5ghz oc thumb.gif
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the slight change in cpu frequency is normal it was probity there at stock but you just did not notice

so your fsb dropped to 199.92 which is an -0.0004% dip well with in spec 199.92*25=4998mhz that is also not throttling. throttling is when the multiplier and voltage lower to prevent components form overheating if your chip was throttling more than likely you would have encounterd an dip to ~1 or ~2ghz finally games crashing with an unstable oc is normal but that is expected
sound like you have an good 5ghz oc thumb.gif

Yeah thanks. Kind of thought that when I saw voltage never dropped below what I set in the BIOS. As for the rest I'll be away for a while. Got in a car accident and my car is wrecked. Insurance company will probably call it totaled. See you guys sometime later.
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