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I agree that both of you could likely get better clocks with different equipment. Cooling is the biggest factor , along with power. Even the quality of your PSU will affect the OC. What I found was that any of the new ones I tried topped out in the 5.5G range, not stability mind you but working the CPU such as CinebenchR15. That's where it didn't matter what voltage I set( up to 2v with LN2 it would lock on the start of the benchmark.

As for your 280x not being Win8 /8.1 compatible that's just a driver change and should be good to go.
this your video card doesn't care if you're running Windows 8....the only time that becomes an issue is when a card is no longer supported and a new os comes out...even then there are often 3rd party options
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I agree that both of you could likely get better clocks with different equipment. Cooling is the biggest factor , along with power. Even the quality of your PSU will affect the OC. What I found was that any of the new ones I tried topped out in the 5.5G range, not stability mind you but working the CPU such as CinebenchR15. That's where it didn't matter what voltage I set( up to 2v with LN2 it would lock on the start of the benchmark.
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Johan,

No experience with LN2 here, but using the same philosophy, could it be possible that the chip displays the same charatceristics with the thermal boundaries of high-end air/AIO water at lower voltages and clocks, as it does on high-end liquid/extreme cooling with higher voltages and clocks?

The rule of thumb is usually that a chip will hit it's thermal wall before it ever hits a frequency/voltage wall, but is it possible with these chips that there is a frequency/voltage barrier that can not be crossed, even with reasonable temps, until you breakthrough to a completely different temperature range, and see the same effect all over again?

Not trying to state the obvious.... but I have seen so many of the older chips go well past 6GHz on extreme cooling in all my readings.... hell I've seen a tone of them validate in the mid-5's on water with the right voltage...

Is the heat involved with these chips associated with the "low leakage" ?
My theory is that they retain energy better, which gives them the ability to run at similar clocks with less voltage from the board, but due to their low leakage traights, they can not stomach high voltage (for lack of a better term).

I have heard the same is true for GPU's with low and high ASIC quality. When overclocking, you wan't low ASIC for extreme cooling, and high for air cooling. Is this the same logic?

Sorry for the rant..... just very curious... redface.gif
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I agree that both of you could likely get better clocks with different equipment. Cooling is the biggest factor , along with power. Even the quality of your PSU will affect the OC. What I found was that any of the new ones I tried topped out in the 5.5G range, not stability mind you but working the CPU such as CinebenchR15. That's where it didn't matter what voltage I set( up to 2v with LN2 it would lock on the start of the benchmark.
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No experience with LN2 here, but using the same philosophy, could it be possible that the chip displays the same charatceristics with the thermal boundaries of high-end air/AIO water at lower voltages and clocks, as it does on high-end liquid/extreme cooling with higher voltages and clocks?

The rule of thumb is usually that a chip will hit it's thermal wall before it ever hits a frequency/voltage wall, but is it possible with these chips that there is a frequency/voltage barrier that can not be crossed, even with reasonable temps, until you breakthrough to a completely different temperature range, and see the same effect all over again?

Not trying to state the obvious.... but I have seen so many of the older chips go well past 6GHz on extreme cooling in all my readings.... hell I've seen a tone of them validate in the mid-5's on water with the right voltage...

Is the heat involved with these chips associated with the "low leakage" ?
My theory is that they retain energy better, which gives them the ability to run at similar clocks with less voltage from the board, but due to their low leakage traights, they can not stomach high voltage (for lack of a better term).

I have heard the same is true for GPU's with low and high ASIC quality. When overclocking, you wan't low ASIC for extreme cooling, and high for air cooling. Is this the same logic?

Sorry for the rant..... just very curious... redface.gif

You're saying it's a thermal wall but not. I know what you mean but that's not quite what I was trying to say. Validations are easy on a processor, real work like R15 isn't especially when you are trying to do it at 6.0 or higher. I didn't mean that the new CPUs won't go over 5.5 they just have a hard time with real work sooner. Take this for an example

8320 new would run 1.45v @ 5.0
http://hwbot.org/submission/2678084_johan45_cinebench___r11.5_fx_8320_10.26_points 5900MHz
http://hwbot.org/submission/2662260_johan45_cinebench___r15_fx_8320_885_cb 5500MHz
http://hwbot.org/submission/2678081_johan45_cpu_frequency_fx_8320_6668.37_mhz

8350 5.0 @ 1.55v older 2012 sample
http://hwbot.org/submission/2770413_johan45_cpu_frequency_fx_8350_7095.52_mhz
http://hwbot.org/submission/2770422_johan45_cinebench___r11.5_fx_8350_11.82_points 6800MHz
http://hwbot.org/submission/2770423_johan45_cinebench___r15_fx_8350_1002_cb 6200MHz

Now not all of them are like this, I have seen some 8370 that just walk all over this theory like this one
http://hwbot.org/submission/2686824_topdog_cinebench___r15_fx_8370_1115_cb/


Anyway I don't think you have a voltage wall but heat and board wall. I mean what you're saying is right and it does appear that the newer chips have a slight voltage allergy but that's not what up here IMO. How did the increased CPU_NB volts work out for you. Oh yeah you're also too hot at those speeds already.
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Ironically, this board is called a "Fatal1ty," and running a budget gaming board at 4.95GHz has gotta be facing impending doom! hahah
It did 4.6GHz with no effort at all though. It's a great board for locking down 4.4-4.6 and settling for a good cheap gaming build, which is all I wanted, but testing at 4.8GHz gave me a real taste for flesh, and I had to keep going....

As far as getting higher, I took your advise on the NB, and it seems like adding CPU-NB added more heat than vcore!!
Pretty drastic difference too....

I ended up adding a touch a of vcore (+ .025) and leaving the CPU-NB @ 1.2v.
That let me get 2MHz on the base clock, and pull 4949MHz (24.5x202).... anything past that needs .05 to do work, and .075 (MAX on board) to get any sort of stability, which then gets totally negated by throttling within 10 or 15 minutes due to temperatures....

The chip certainly has some clock speed left in it, but not with all the voltage fluctuations from this cheap ass board (again, no LLC is the main issue).
Now, the temps aren't necessarely that bad when the voltage is consistent (as far as the CPU is concerned), but when it quickly rises from 1.456v all the way up to 1.501v in a split second, the spikes can 4-5c under full load until the cooler obsorbs the heat. Then it drops back down some.
The cooler itself does not seem to be saturated with heat at all.... the casing of the radiator never even gets warm.... the other temps though, especially the socket, are just scorching hot.

It's been interesting playing with this board (to say the least), and I am just going to keep it, but if it does decide to fry, i'll be grabbing a kitty for sure!
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Nope. 4.944vcore failed too. BSOD. So 4.92 is it. That's all there is cause there ain't no more. It is not temps as it runs IBT VH @ 56C.

Let me clarify. There are options in the bios for Win8 that will not work because of the 280X and are disabled. That is what the bios says.
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Now sure what you mean by "There are options in the bios for Win8 that will not work because of the 280X and are disabled"

Are you referring to your motherboard's BIOS?
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Sorry, yes. Motherboard bios. I can get pics.
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Sorry, yes. Motherboard bios. I can get pics.
I don't think I've seen this...aside from very fast option of fast boot I can't think of much that's Windows 8 specific
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Here ya go.


For some reason doing this crashed it so hard I had to push the "reset bios" button on the I/O panel. At stock clocks this thing is so slow it seems like it is frozen, and then it does something.
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I have honestly never seen anything like that in my life, and I have seen some pretty miserable PC problems.

You sure you have PCI-E set to 100MHz?
Any voltage changes?

Updated your BIOS lately?

Does it still do this with default values?

Try only setting your overclock in place after defaults and see if that screws things up again.

That is too weird....
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