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Here's the bios screenshots i forgot that this board can do them lol.. Pretty much i didint do much in the digi tab because it seem to make no difference. I had all of those up and all it did is cause more heat than good lol..

picture one! (Click to show)

you will need to lock down your HT speed, Auto here = BAD news bears
picture two! (Click to show)

CPU/NB voltage is way too high, VDDA can use some more voltage as well the NB core could use some more voltage
pic 3 and 4! (Click to show)



i'd follow F3ers shot, mine are almost identical.


are you running virtual machines? is not turn off SVM
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Ab just changes the P state of the card and forces it in to max performance mod.

no where close to LLC, which is an actual circuit. not something you can replicate without the circuit.

I don't totally buy that...

I can run with and without the setting, and with GPU-Z open, I see MUCH MUCH more consistent voltage.

I do wonder, with my board claiming to use the "DIGI POWER (I'm assuming no connection with Asus' tech, but with their history, who knows)," does it support LLC even though it is not available in the BIOS?
I'm going to find out how nicely it plays with AI suite tonight.
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Like Flail said LLC is hardware based you either have it or you don't and AB just forces the card to run at max voltage that's why it doesn't fluctuate. Not the same as LLC. Cards have PStates just like a processor and adjust voltage under load. Forcing the voltage is handy in benches like Aquamark that is so easy the card will jump in and out of 3D mode. With the voltage forced it'll stay in 3D mode, well mostly any way.
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Like Flail said LLC is hardware based you either have it or you don't and AB just forces the card to run at max voltage that's why it doesn't fluctuate. Not the same as LLC. Cards have PStates just like a processor and adjust voltage under load. Forcing the voltage is handy in benches like Aquamark that is so easy the card will jump in and out of 3D mode. With the voltage forced it'll stay in 3D mode, well mostly any way.

Okay, so not only does it lock the P state voltage, but it stops it from reacting differently to the load itself?
That makes sense. I had just noticed that with "force" turned on, the voltage was always between 1.2-1.24v with the 290, throughout benchmarks.
With it off, it would be anywhere between 1.16 and 1.24, even while under load....

That would lead me to infer then, that the voltage for GPU under load is NOT vdroop, but the card's power cirucuitry reacting according to it's design....
In the case of the CPU though, when I see my voltage drop under full load, that is in fact vdroop, and can not be overcome without true LLC. There is no software based method of increasing the vcore as it naturally decreases under load then.....

What I wonder is, if this board is using the same power circuitry as the 990FX killer, why does that board have LLC and this one does not. Is it simply something that is there, and not offered in the BIOS for protection purposes, or is the power circuitry not capable of LLC at all.
Edited by Agent Smith1984 - 5/18/15 at 9:32am
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Ab just changes the P state of the card and forces it in to max performance mod.

no where close to LLC, which is an actual circuit. not something you can replicate without the circuit.

I don't totally buy that...

I can run with and without the setting, and with GPU-Z open, I see MUCH MUCH more consistent voltage.

I do wonder, with my board claiming to use the "DIGI POWER (I'm assuming no connection with Asus' tech, but with their history, who knows)," does it support LLC even though it is not available in the BIOS?
I'm going to find out how nicely it plays with AI suite tonight.

well, wasn't asrock an offspring of Asus originally? but that is rather asque of my point

digi power just means digital apposed to analog power phases(incorporated ICs for voltage regulation rather than relying soley on low tolerance circuits). not the same as Asus Digi+

if a board in questions has LLC than Ai suite should be able to access it. but if the board in question does not have the physical implamentation of LLC nothing Ai suite can do to give it to you. after all it is only software that rely on the hardware available to it.

AB just tweaks settings in the driver. I know Nvidia's driver does this by its self. you even have more control over it than AB gives you if you just dig into the driver.

for radeon cards, can't remember TBH, i think there is something in the driver that works liek that but. ya been a while been using the 780 ti for the longest time now that i no longer own the lightning.
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Like Flail said LLC is hardware based you either have it or you don't and AB just forces the card to run at max voltage that's why it doesn't fluctuate. Not the same as LLC. Cards have PStates just like a processor and adjust voltage under load. Forcing the voltage is handy in benches like Aquamark that is so easy the card will jump in and out of 3D mode. With the voltage forced it'll stay in 3D mode, well mostly any way.

Wow that is frustrating when that happens.....lol.
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well, wasn't asrock an offspring of Asus originally? but that is rather asque of my point

digi power just means digital apposed to analog power phases(incorporated ICs for voltage regulation rather than relying soley on low tolerance circuits). not the same as Asus Digi+

if a board in questions has LLC than Ai suite should be able to access it. but if the board in question does not have the physical implamentation of LLC nothing Ai suite can do to give it to you. after all it is only software that rely on the hardware available to it.

AB just tweaks settings in the driver. I know Nvidia's driver does this by its self. you even have more control over it than AB gives you if you just dig into the driver.

for radeon cards, can't remember TBH, i think there is something in the driver that works liek that but. ya been a while been using the 780 ti for the longest time now that i no longer own the lightning.

Yeah, I totally follow you now.
I have confirmed that certain BIOS versions on the 990FX killer offer/ed LLC. I have also confirmed that the two boards share the same power design.
What I have not done, is gotten a friggin answer back from ASsROCKet as to whether or not LLC could possibly be offered in future BIOS releases.
They did evintually confirm to me that the power delivery system on the board will cut the power phase to 4 channels after 45 minutes of continous load (max load only), or after VRM reaches 110c.
I have seen the board do both.... I imagine for anyone not running active VRM and socket cooling like myself, that LLC would lead to even worse temp issues.

That's just what you get when you combine a low copper density PCB with poor passive cooling, and target it to the $75-90 budget motherboard crowd.
Of course I knew all this walking into it (well, everything but the insanely hot socket part) and have still stretched this thing's legs out pretty far considering such.
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Yeah running intake is great on this case..but like yeah I don't like dumping all hot air into the case....
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Yeah, I totally follow you now.
I have confirmed that certain BIOS versions on the 990FX killer offer/ed LLC. I have also confirmed that the two boards share the same power design.
What I have not done, is gotten a friggin answer back from ASsROCKet as to whether or not LLC could possibly be offered in future BIOS releases.
They did evintually confirm to me that the power delivery system on the board will cut the power phase to 4 channels after 45 minutes of continous load (max load only), or after VRM reaches 110c.
I have seen the board do both.... I imagine for anyone not running active VRM and socket cooling like myself, that LLC would lead to even worse temp issues.

That's just what you get when you combine a low copper density PCB with poor passive cooling, and target it to the $75-90 budget motherboard crowd.
Of course I knew all this walking into it (well, everything but the insanely hot socket part) and have still stretched this thing's legs out pretty far considering such.

Yeah..really wondering too about the LLC/Power with the Killer Boards....Either way I notice some MAJOR Vdroop/dropping going on......I don't know if it's this PSU too though, even though it seems fine..

Talking like 25-50mv , with heavy loads/all depending etc...that's significant...and will/asking for instability....doesn't really matter how I have anything setup either...just go higher etc
Edited by RJ-Savage - 5/18/15 at 12:22pm
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Yeah running intake is great on this case..but like yeah I don't like dumping all hot air into the case....
Yeah..really wondering too about the LLC/Power with the Killer Boards....Either way I notice some MAJOR Vdroop/dropping going on......I don't know if it's this PSU too though, even though it seems fine..

Talking like 200-300mv, with heavy loads...that's significant...and will/asking for instability....


At 4.9GHz, with 1.55v max BIOS voltage, the idle voltage is 1.492, and load is 1.436v (not stable).
I added 50mv offset to counter the problem, and it worked under constant clock speed, but it killed me when trying to use cool n quiet.....

To get around the issue, I set the voltage to 1.475v, and used a 150mv offset.

That put idle voltage to around 1.54, and load to aroundf 1.464v (stable)

Then I turned on CnQ, and "balanced" mode in Windows, and now I idle at .86v (1400MHz) and it automatically adjusts through all of the P states as it should, and gets full stability under load @ 4.9 with voltage ranging between 1.464v and 1.488.

That was the only way to overcome the vdroop, while not having to run a stupid high idle voltage. It also works great for power usage, and keeps the initial CPU temps down before entering a high load situation. thumb.gif
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At 4.9GHz, with 1.55v max BIOS voltage, the idle voltage is 1.492, and load is 1.436v (not stable).
I added 50mv offset to counter the problem, and it worked under constant clock speed, but it killed me when trying to use cool n quiet.....

To get around the issue, I set the voltage to 1.475v, and used a 150mv offset.

That put idle voltage to around 1.54, and load to aroundf 1.464v (stable)

Then I turned on CnQ, and "balanced" mode in Windows, and now I idle at .86v (1400MHz) and it automatically adjusts through all of the P states as it should, and gets full stability under load @ 4.9 with voltage ranging between 1.464v and 1.488.

That was the only way to overcome the vdroop, while not having to run a stupid high idle voltage. It also works great for power usage, and keeps the initial CPU temps down before entering a high load situation. thumb.gif

didn't mean no where near that much of a drop..not sure what I was thinking lol it's like a 25-50mv drop maybe a little more some times.. not 200-300 lol

Yeah...I'm still trying to get it...I would like to keep CnQ on but I know it can do some bad/whack stuff out.....and P states but yeah I know it's like you need waay more voltage then you should/ have to set really high idle voltage/minimum. all bad for temps too.

Got all P states on CnQ on 5ghz actually set in the Bios 1.53v etc, 50mv offset so yeah it drops hangs around 1.49/1.5v mostly and runs really good with/much better in a lot of gaming....even MMO performance improved significantly even in the brutal rendered areas. That are awful with hitching/stutter Frame drops etc.

Obviously something like other brutal testing/benching/programs it's probably dropping way more well into instability.. but this is about the cut off..where I want to go with temps...hangs around yeah mostly highest I see is 50-55c etc...not damn bad at all with H60 Push/pull 2nd fan Intake xD

Definitely right about the intake setup but yeah dumping all that atrocious fire into a small MID case that's real healthy....NB sink, I noticed mine feels like it's on fire like all the time...vrms are not doing too bad..but yeah top fans are pulling a decent amount of heat out minus doing much with the GPU...could use a bit better fans there really though.

270 cooking at 80c etc...it's going to die watch haha
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