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Hi! I just bought my 8350.
Mobo: m5a 99fx pro r2.0
Case: haf 912 2x200 mm, 1x120, 1x140
Cooler: noctua uh 12s (single fan)
Ram (weak point): 8gb corsair vengeance 2133 cl11 (coming from my previous rig a106800k)
Psu: antec hcg 750 series M
Gpu: i can't choose between gtx960 gtx 970 r9 290x (going budget till 2016 or buying something that can lasts till 2017).
Next week i'll assemble everything.

I'd say the weak point is the cooler before the ram

The components in bold print are your weak points,,,

Nothing wrong with the RAM... thumb.gif
hey there ent nothing wrong with M5A99FX.

Was simply my opinion, in order, the Cooler then the MB, as components that I would change for better performance! thumb.gif
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I agree. had my fx8320 at 5.3ghz on a m5a99x evo; and 24/7 at 5ghz

no real difference between the evo and the pro

You should apply for entry into this http://www.overclock.net/t/1519033/5-ghz-24-7-oc-club

If you are reasonably stable you'll get in easy : )

I believe that you either got lucky on the MB, or won the silicon lottery with the chip, or both...

Good clocks boys, on a mediocre board...

Are you using LN2! lachen.gif
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I understand...


BTW: I can't work on this computer stuff vertically. I have limited vision and need to work horizontally with lights right over the work. Even to just plug in a USB header... When I see people in building videos working in the case horizontally I think wth.gif

I get by though... thumb.gif

..

One blind Mike to another.....

http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/22w-fluorescent-daylight-magnifier-lamp-a29ff?gclid=CjwKEAjwtMqrBRDwtoehx72vm34SJACl_Un1tUM6OXTtKgJCsGONEatNgx-bxmJb3kwqUkLPKrhcEhoC6cLw_wcB

I have professional jewelers magnifying bench lamp & a floor standing lamp with 3x / 5x power... Ott-Lamp

Don't know what power the jewelers lamp is, I got it from nephew who is a jeweler...
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Yeah Seen where many are raving about that Gelid Extreme...Kinda agree about the Thicker/clay like TIMs...pretty easy to get bad mounts/bad spreading...
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You should apply for entry into this http://www.overclock.net/t/1519033/5-ghz-24-7-oc-club

If you are reasonably stable you'll get in easy : )

ah... i never knew about that club. I was 100% stable on that pc. I wish i could apply, unfortunately i don't have that pc anymore.

if you want to read more on it i made a thread about it here.
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ah... i never knew about that club. I was 100% stable on that pc. I wish i could apply, unfortunately i don't have that pc anymore.

if you want to read more on it i made a thread about it here.

well drat.. would have been nice to have another member on on the list
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no mystery material
The mystery involved finding a sink made with something other than nickle, aluminum, or copper -- or which has steel screws.

Until one can actually find something on the market other than copper, nickle, and aluminum, my point stands.
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So where do those huge numbers people find (including myself, I noticed a massive almost unbelievable difference) come from?
The biggest difference I recall seeing in a review was from the metal pad in a GPU roundup. It comparison with conventional TIMs it blew away the competition (not for CPUs, just for GPUs). However, I have read that some people have had issues with them (incomplete melting, bond breaking down due to solidification, non-uniform melt/bond, etc.) and the high temperature involved may not be the greatest thing for the longevity of one's equipment. All such complaints have to be taken with a grain of salt, though, unless there are a huge number of them. Otherwise they could involve such things as user error or astroturf.

The review used air cooling exclusively with those GPUs as far as I recall.
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The mystery involved finding a sink made with something other than nickle, aluminum, or copper -- or which has steel screws.

Until one can actually find something on the market other than copper, nickle, and aluminum, my point stands.
The biggest difference I recall seeing in a review was from the metal pad in a GPU roundup. It comparison with conventional TIMs it blew away the competition (not for CPUs, just for GPUs). However, I have read that some people have had issues with them (incomplete melting, bond breaking down due to solidification, non-uniform melt/bond, etc.) and the high temperature involved may not be the greatest thing for the longevity of one's equipment. All such complaints have to be taken with a grain of salt, though, unless there are a huge number of them. Otherwise they could involve such things as user error or astroturf.

The review used air cooling exclusively with those GPUs as far as I recall.


its silver coated...but still its not copper or nickle or aluminum... your point falls as the contacting surface will be silver. http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=823 I've also seen gold plated ones...

Edit: I still think though that they were saying it was only incompatible with aluminum... or was it copper... the point is though that they hadn't excluded all normal heatsink materials
Edited by Minotaurtoo - 6/6/15 at 4:27pm
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I just wanted to reply to the TIM talk.

Liquid metal does make a huge difference. More than 4c. Much more. I know, I use it. (more on that in a minute!)

But guess what... it doesn't make that big of a difference in between your cpu and water block. I noticed like a...2c difference there (if that, it could have been due to the level of care I used applying it!) Is it better than mxwhatever or as5 or whatever shin etsu stuff you can buy, or various other things? Yes. How much better? Couple degrees maybe. Maybe. If it's more you are probably doing something wrong applying your other stuff. Or your stuff isn't flat. tongue.gif

It works fine on copper. It works fine on nickel. Don't put it on aluminum. At least, if it's the same liquid metal product I've used. The contents are not a secret (the main ingredient starts with a "G" in most of them). You can put it on an aluminum can to test it! smile.gif

So where do those huge numbers people find (including myself, I noticed a massive almost unbelievable difference) come from? Well, it's off topic to this thread.

It's on de-lidded ivy and haswell where there is a massive gap between the heat spreader and die. Even sometimes after you clean the gunk off. It works *great* there because there is such a huge (in comparison) gap between the die and the heat spreader. I'd imagine if you cleaned the rim of the heat spreader off real well to make it fit super nicely the difference would be smaller. But I didn't want to take sandpaper to my heat spreader's rim.

If there is some sort of massive gap(s) between your heat spreader and your block you are probably doing something wrong lol.

When I put it in between the die and spreader on my 4770k I noticed a huge (I'm not going to say for sure as it was so long ago but it was >10c, easily) drop. When I replaced the mx4 in between the water block and heat spreader temps went down like 2c. I wouldn't use it in between the block and spreader again as who knows how it'll clean off after years of use. And that difference may have been how careful I was in applying it--I cannot say for sure, there's no way for me to really judge how well I applied it!

So I don't really think this should apply to AMD users. I didn't use it on my 8320 pc (just used the stock stuff that came on the h100 I used in that, but I havne't fired that PC up in a long time).
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its silver coated...but still its not copper or nickle or aluminum... your point falls as the contacting surface will be silver. http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=823 I've also seen gold plated ones...

Edit: I still think though that they were saying it was only incompatible with aluminum... or was it copper... the point is though that they hadn't excluded all normal heatsink materials
My point doesn't fall for a variety of reasons, such as the way that cooler is not even close to the target market of a liquid metal TIM (and was sold fourteen years ago), but that is indeed a somewhat fascinating anecdote.

As for your second statement... except for this oddity with the silver coating there really would be nothing else other than nickle. Coolaboratory specifically says the product isn't to be used on aluminum right on the package. There is nothing about incompatibility with copper. The entire debate here was between the claim that it is incompatible with copper (causing physical bondage) and that it is not. I am certainly willing to believe that there could be major issues between Liquid Pro and copper parts but I think more information is in order (Is it due to aluminum TIM residue? Is it due to a poor-quality copper alloy? Is it due to inconsistency in Liquid Pro batches? Are some of the claims from people with business interests?). The two sides' claims, as you can see, vary diametrically.
Edited by superstition222 - 6/6/15 at 4:38pm
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My point doesn't fall for a variety of reasons, such as the way that cooler is not even close to the target market of a liquid metal TIM (and was sold fourteen years ago), but that is indeed a somewhat fascinating anecdote.

As for your second statement... except for this oddity with the silver coating there really would be nothing else other than nickle. Coolaboratory specifically says the product isn't to be used on aluminum right on the package. There is nothing about incompatibility with copper. The entire debate here was between the claim that it is incompatible with copper (causing physical bondage) and that it is not. I am certainly willing to believe that there could be major issues between Liquid Pro and copper parts but I think more information is in order. The two sides' claims, as you can see, vary diametrically.
yeah, I get your point.. was mostly being a smart @$$ lol .. I knew it was one of the two it was incompatible with.. just couldn't remember... and nickle... well.. I've seen more zinc coated components than nickle... but that's probably because I work with some odd cnc controlled garbage at work. I've even seen steel heatsinks lol... stainless, but steel.. oh and I'm sure that there are some silver coated heatsinks today.. I just took the first result I found lol... oh... here are some professional heatsink choices... well info on them anyway... this is the kind of junk I get into with the machines at work... http://www.abl-heatsinks.co.uk/heatsink/heatsink-selection-material.htm not really applicable to pc's, but still interesting
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