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Not any more, I switched to a full blown custom loop

D5 pump, 2x 480 rads, 1x 360 rad, 1 x 240 rad, all with Noctua NF-F12's, all EK XTX series rads

EK Supremacy EVO, EK full board block, 2 x Aquacomputer 290x Water blocks with Active Back Plate, Primochill Advanced LRT tubing, lots & lots of Bitspower Black Sparkle fittings

No server, just an every day rider lachen.gif

wow, that loop must have cost you a small fortune.

What temps do you get with that kind of radiator space?
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If you don't want to go custom loop, I would recommend a Swiftech H220X... thumb.gif

I believe that you can get at least 5c to 10c difference from the H100i...

Atr least I did when I replaced my H100i with the Swiftech H220... biggrin.gif


After seeing your recommendation on an earlier post I immediately checked out the H220 but the radiator was to big for my mod. I'd like to give it a try but also don't want to cut any more out of my case. I do appreciate your suggestion though. The raystorm d5 ex240 is a custom loop kit. I'm still going to check my case when I get home and see how much of a problem it would be to modify it a bit more because the H220 is much less expensive.

That EX from XSPC aint the best. In fact, it might not even give you noticeable gains from the H100i. If space is the problem, there are other thin rads to consider and cheaper I suppose.

Not sure how prices scale on your area but alphacool kits might be cheaper. Just note that kits don't always give out the best components in one pack. Some of the included components might go to waste later.

My advice, if you wanna go for a loop, pick them by the components. Will turn out more expensive than a kit but the components will be picked by choice. thumb.gif Spend a little more time using that H100i I say. You might even get to 5GHz with it.
I use EX rads and actually they are quiet good. I ran at a point only a single EX280 rad. And I maxed out at 4.8GHz but at the time I had not discovered the importance of socket and VRM cooling so I would throttle on the socket with around 55C core temps. Aint nothing wrong with EX I tell ya. thumb.gif Maybe earlier versions weren't that great but I know I have the V2's.
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Nope, didn't say they are bad.

Thing is, Very little can be had from an H100. 2-3 C?

I still have my 360 by the way. But with thicker rads in hand, hmm.. And yeah, a 290 easily heated it up with 1200 fans. biggrin.gif
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Nope, didn't say they are bad.

Thing is, Very little can be had from an H100. 2-3 C?

I still have my 360 by the way. But with thicker rads in hand, hmm.. And yeah, a 290 easily heated it up with 1200 fans. biggrin.gif
Well the only thing I had to go on for reference was my old Thermaltake Water 2.0 Pro. And well that was abysmal. Both the rads in my machine are EX. I have EX360 and EX280.
And I can honestly say the build quality isn't top notch. Fin spacing can vary a bit in some places. But I mean you know they aren't the premium line of rads from XSPC. That title goes to AX and RX. So I would expect something to give. So uniform fin spacing is not a major thing in my eyes. As long as it doesn't leak. tongue.gif
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Nope, didn't say they are bad.

Thing is, Very little can be had from an H100. 2-3 C?

I still have my 360 by the way. But with thicker rads in hand, hmm.. And yeah, a 290 easily heated it up with 1200 fans. biggrin.gif

Well the only thing I had to go on for reference was my old Thermaltake Water 2.0 Pro. And well that was abysmal. Both the rads in my machine are EX. I have EX360 and EX280.
And I can honestly say the build quality isn't top notch. Fin spacing can vary a bit in some places. But I mean you know they aren't the premium line of rads from XSPC. That title goes to AX and RX. So I would expect something to give. So uniform fin spacing is not a major thing in my eyes. As long as it doesn't leak. tongue.gif

Who cares about uniform fin spacing? biggrin.gif
You can't see them once in use.

That RX V3 is something to boot though. High Performance. But they cost a lot locally. HWLabs on the other hand, is top notch on every aspect. Paint Finish, Performance, Build Quality, and overall craftsmanship. They are soooo clean inside as well. Makes me proud they're made here. biggrin.gif But I haven't even tested my GTX480s yet.
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Nope, didn't say they are bad.

Thing is, Very little can be had from an H100. 2-3 C?

I still have my 360 by the way. But with thicker rads in hand, hmm.. And yeah, a 290 easily heated it up with 1200 fans. biggrin.gif

Well the only thing I had to go on for reference was my old Thermaltake Water 2.0 Pro. And well that was abysmal. Both the rads in my machine are EX. I have EX360 and EX280.
And I can honestly say the build quality isn't top notch. Fin spacing can vary a bit in some places. But I mean you know they aren't the premium line of rads from XSPC. That title goes to AX and RX. So I would expect something to give. So uniform fin spacing is not a major thing in my eyes. As long as it doesn't leak. tongue.gif

Who cares about uniform fin spacing? biggrin.gif
You can't see them once in use.

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Personally the AX's are impressive for me. I just like the whole idea of a removable core. makes painting and modding a whole lot easier.
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Nope, didn't say they are bad.

Thing is, Very little can be had from an H100. 2-3 C?

I still have my 360 by the way. But with thicker rads in hand, hmm.. And yeah, a 290 easily heated it up with 1200 fans. biggrin.gif

Well the only thing I had to go on for reference was my old Thermaltake Water 2.0 Pro. And well that was abysmal. Both the rads in my machine are EX. I have EX360 and EX280.
And I can honestly say the build quality isn't top notch. Fin spacing can vary a bit in some places. But I mean you know they aren't the premium line of rads from XSPC. That title goes to AX and RX. So I would expect something to give. So uniform fin spacing is not a major thing in my eyes. As long as it doesn't leak. tongue.gif

Who cares about uniform fin spacing? biggrin.gif
You can't see them once in use.

That RX V3 is something to boot though. High Performance. But they cost a lot locally. HWLabs on the other hand, is top notch on every aspect. Paint Finish, Performance, Build Quality, and overall craftsmanship. They are soooo clean inside as well. Makes me proud they're made here. biggrin.gif But I haven't even tested my GTX480s yet.

Personally the AX's are impressive for me. I just like the whole idea of a removable core. makes painting and modding a whole lot easier.

Well, that's another thing. biggrin.gif

I kinda lean away with thin rads for the reason they are a bit more restrictive in nature. You can see the flow lessen passing by them. If you have 4 of them in a single loop, add in the blocks, hmmm. 3 Pumps? rolleyes.gif
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Nope, didn't say they are bad.

Thing is, Very little can be had from an H100. 2-3 C?

I still have my 360 by the way. But with thicker rads in hand, hmm.. And yeah, a 290 easily heated it up with 1200 fans. biggrin.gif

Well the only thing I had to go on for reference was my old Thermaltake Water 2.0 Pro. And well that was abysmal. Both the rads in my machine are EX. I have EX360 and EX280.
And I can honestly say the build quality isn't top notch. Fin spacing can vary a bit in some places. But I mean you know they aren't the premium line of rads from XSPC. That title goes to AX and RX. So I would expect something to give. So uniform fin spacing is not a major thing in my eyes. As long as it doesn't leak. tongue.gif

Who cares about uniform fin spacing? biggrin.gif
You can't see them once in use.

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Personally the AX's are impressive for me. I just like the whole idea of a removable core. makes painting and modding a whole lot easier.

Well, that's another thing. biggrin.gif

I kinda lean away with thin rads for the reason they are a bit more restrictive in nature. You can see the flow lessen passing by them. If you have 4 of them in a single loop, add in the blocks, hmmm. 3 Pumps? rolleyes.gif
pressure drop doesn't seem that high to me. Martin from Martin's Liquid lab tested EX's and they have a 0.2psi pressure drop.
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Hey guys. I wanted your opinions on a new rig I am planning for my parents. I also want it to double as a back up rig for me if my main goes down for maintenance or whatever reason. I have two rigs planned. And wanted your input. My parents budget is around ZAR 6000. I decided to sell them my HD 6850's simply so that I can still tinker with them occasionally. They are fun to chase HW Bot Hardware awards with. tongue.gif Also I get to make some of the money back on them so I can put it to new GPU's.

I have two rigs planned. One based on FX6300 and the other based on an A10 7700K. I am leaning to the FX 6 but mainly cause I simply have experience with FX. But I would like anyone who owns Kaviri to input their experience.

So FX Based.

FX-6300 (ZAR1600)
MSI 990FXA-GD65 (ZAR1600)
Crucial Ballistics Tactical 1866 CL10 4GB x 2 (ZAR 949) How good is Kingston's Hyper X Savage 1866 Cl 10 kits? Cause those are about 100 bucks cheaper.
2 x MSI R6850 Cyclone Power Edition's (My current GPU's getting retired.) (ZAR 600 x2)
Corsair VS650 (ZAR 780)
And a Hyper 212 Evo class cooler +- ZAR 400 (What would be best? I know Hyper 212 isn't the king of the budget heap these days. Who is it then?)
Total = ZAR 6500 +-
And APU Based

AMD A10 7700K (ZAR 2000)
MSI A88X-E45 (ZAR 1000)
Crucial Ballistics Tactical 1866 CL10 4GB x 2 (ZAR 949)
2 x MSI R6850 Cyclone Power Edition's (My current GPU's getting retired.) (ZAR 600 X 2 )
Corsair VS650 (ZAR 780)
And a Hyper 212 Evo class cooler (+- ZAR 400)

Total = ZAR 6329

They have the rest of the stuff they need like Windows and HDD's and cases and stuff. Its just my moms old machine is an E2200 on an old ECS Elite Group G41 motherboard with 2.5GB of RAM. And its getting very old.

I feel like either of these rigs would blow my parents away. And I know the capability of my 6850's. They should still be alright for back up gaming, as they still play most titles at 1080p at still decent detail levels. Besides my parents use a 19inch 1440*900 screen so those GPU's won't be getting all that taxed at all.
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Hey guys. I wanted your opinions on a new rig I am planning for my parents. I also want it to double as a back up rig for me if my main goes down for maintenance or whatever reason. I have two rigs planned. And wanted your input. My parents budget is around ZAR 6000. I decided to sell them my HD 6850's simply so that I can still tinker with them occasionally. They are fun to chase HW Bot Hardware awards with. tongue.gif Also I get to make some of the money back on them so I can put it to new GPU's.

I have two rigs planned. One based on FX6300 and the other based on an A10 7700K. I am leaning to the FX 6 but mainly cause I simply have experience with FX. But I would like anyone who owns Kaviri to input their experience.

So FX Based.

FX-6300
MSI 990FXA-GD65
Crucial Ballistics Tactical 1866 CL10 4GB x 2
2 x MSI R6850 Cyclone Power Edition's (My current GPU's getting retired.)
Corsair VS650
And a Hyper 212 Evo class cooler (What would be best? I know Hyper 212 isn't the king of the budget heap these days. Who is it then?)

And APU Based

AMD A10 7700K
MSI A88X-E45
Crucial Ballistics Tactical 1866 CL10 4GB x 2
2 x MSI R6850 Cyclone Power Edition's (My current GPU's getting retired.)
Corsair VS650
And a Hyper 212 Evo class cooler

They have the rest of the stuff they need like Windows and HDD's and cases and stuff. Its just my moms old machine is an E2200 on an old ECS Elite Group G41 motherboard with 2.5GB of RAM. And its getting very old.

I feel like either of these rigs would blow my parents away. And I know the capability of my 6850's. They should still be alright for back up gaming, as they still play most titles at 1080p at still decent detail levels. Besides my parents use a 19inch 1440*900 screen so those GPU's won't be getting all that taxed at all.

Cooler wise take a look at the Cryorig H7 if you can get it there, it's a few bucks more than the 212 here but a much nicer cooler smile.gif

APU wise if you are always going to use a dGPU take a look at the 760k or 860k, they clock better (treat them much like an FX tbh but Steamroller hits a wall around 4.7Ghz that's a pita to climb over redface.gif )

i have a 7850k on a 120mm AIO and i can run it at 4.5Ghz daily with ease.

The 6300 on the other hand....well i ran 4.5Ghz on mine daily with the 125w AMD cooler tongue.gif
either way it'll be enough, if you are into HWBot though then i'd suggest the APU, just because they are crazy fun to play with and you'll learn something new.

tbh neither one is better than the other imo, i have a friend currently making up a video benching a 6300 against a 860k clocked at 4.0 each just to show some differences though if that'd interest you?
 
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