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no, no one smokes in my house. But I have visited friends houses occasionally for weekend LAN 's and there have been some smokers present then? Maybe something to do with the fact that I live on a small holding and lots of dust?

These tubes stayed clear for a lot longer than my old ones. Should I go with clear tubes again? Or maybe go for blue tubing this time?

Is the staining on the outside or inside of the tubing?
I don't know. I rubbed a Q-tip or an earbud (depending on where ya from) on the inside of the tube and nothing seemed to come off. But here is a pic of one of the tubes after Disassembly. You can see where the tube is crystal clear. That's where it obviously attached to the compression fitting. I am guessing it's on the inside of the tube because the tube has darkened where in contact with water. Plasticizers being leeches from the tube maybe? It stayed nice and clean for a while and only started going brown recently.

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no, no one smokes in my house. But I have visited friends houses occasionally for weekend LAN 's and there have been some smokers present then? Maybe something to do with the fact that I live on a small holding and lots of dust?

These tubes stayed clear for a lot longer than my old ones. Should I go with clear tubes again? Or maybe go for blue tubing this time?

Is the staining on the outside or inside of the tubing?
I don't know. I rubbed a Q-tip or an earbud (depending on where ya from) on the inside of the tube and nothing seemed to come off. But here is a pic of one of the tubes after Disassembly. You can see where the tube is crystal clear. That's where it obviously attached to the compression fitting. I am guessing it's on the inside of the tube because the tube has darkened where in contact with water. Plasticizers being leeches from the tube maybe? It stayed nice and clean for a while and only started going brown recently.


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Heat?

Must be cos my tubing is a lighter shade of your tubing, and can tell you my coolant got way hotter than it should of!
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Soooo.....

The ol' "great value" ASRock 970 Performance I bought....

Well it has pooped the bed.....

First getting lockups booting into windows.

Dropped back down to defaults on CPU and it locks up in windows constantly.

Also locks up trying to get into BIOS. Random restarts.

Obvious motherboard issues.

I am thinking about ordering a CHFV...... they have open box for $172 right now.

Sorry to hear that. Look at the positive side. You won't have to deal with super high socket temps anymore. Why not take a Sabertooth at this point, it's cheaper than the CHFV and overclockes very well.

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Wish there was a mid-point option for around $125 that had some good red and black color, bit it seems to be either get the $70-80 ASRock or MSI Gaming board, or jump up to $200 for the crosshair.

How about the trusty Gigabyte 970 UD3P? With the F2G BIOS it doesn't even do the double boot bug (rev 1). I don't know if you will go to 4.9 again, but 4.5 it can do it no problem. Of course the BIOS looks worse than Asrock's, but apart that, it's the best "solution" at the 80$ range.
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Sorry to hear that. Look at the positive side. You won't have to deal with super high socket temps anymore. Why not take a Sabertooth at this point, it's cheaper than the CHFV and overclockes very well.
How about the trusty Gigabyte 970 UD3P? With the F2G BIOS it doesn't even do the double boot bug (rev 1). I don't know if you will go to 4.9 again, but 4.5 it can do it no problem. Of course the BIOS looks worse than Asrock's, but apart that, it's the best "solution" at the 80$ range.
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Sorry to hear that. Look at the positive side. You won't have to deal with super high socket temps anymore. Why not take a Sabertooth at this point, it's cheaper than the CHFV and overclockes very well.
How about the trusty Gigabyte 970 UD3P? With the F2G BIOS it doesn't even do the double boot bug (rev 1). I don't know if you will go to 4.9 again, but 4.5 it can do it no problem. Of course the BIOS looks worse than Asrock's, but apart that, it's the best "solution" at the 80$ range.

I am probably going to just buy a new CHFV....

Reasons are:

Want to nail down a solid 5GHz daily clock
Want cooler socket temps (as you stated)
Want a red/black color scheme
Want something reliable enough to retire the whole system with when the time comes.

The ASRock for practical purposes, has been GREAT, and it's an awesome board for the money.... UNTIL IT QUITS WORKING....

I can deal with the lack of copper in the PCB and the high socket temps
I can deal with lame VRM cooler (with a fan)
I can even deal with the lack of LLC, since it was just $75...

But what I can not deal with, is wasting time with rebuilding and RMA's.... especially not if it's more than once.

I just followed up some of the reviews for this 970 Performance on newegg and am seeing people who bought the board and were initially happy with it, but it has now failed them after 3-6 months of use.

I saw so many reviews saying their board failed.... and now I am in the same boat. Pretty dissapointed with the durability, though the initial quality qas great. Like a Hyundai I guess.... tongue.gif

Thanks for the advise!
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no, no one smokes in my house. But I have visited friends houses occasionally for weekend LAN 's and there have been some smokers present then? Maybe something to do with the fact that I live on a small holding and lots of dust?

These tubes stayed clear for a lot longer than my old ones. Should I go with clear tubes again? Or maybe go for blue tubing this time?

Is the staining on the outside or inside of the tubing?
I don't know. I rubbed a Q-tip or an earbud (depending on where ya from) on the inside of the tube and nothing seemed to come off. But here is a pic of one of the tubes after Disassembly. You can see where the tube is crystal clear. That's where it obviously attached to the compression fitting. I am guessing it's on the inside of the tube because the tube has darkened where in contact with water. Plasticizers being leeches from the tube maybe? It stayed nice and clean for a while and only started going brown recently.


Heat?

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Heat?

Must be cos my tubing is a lighter shade of your tubing, and can tell you my coolant got way hotter than it should of!
Heat causes tubes to discolour?

How hot is too hot for coolant then? Cause iI know my tubing would get quite warm to the touch. Especially during BF4 or a similar game which stresses both GPU's and the CPU to an extent. What is the ideal temperature for the coolant to be at to prevent this? Cause things are only going to get hotter. Cause I am adding my Fury's into the loop with full cover EKWB blocks. But I am not increasing my radiator space. I am staying with the XSPC EX280mm and EX360mm.
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no, no one smokes in my house. But I have visited friends houses occasionally for weekend LAN 's and there have been some smokers present then? Maybe something to do with the fact that I live on a small holding and lots of dust?

These tubes stayed clear for a lot longer than my old ones. Should I go with clear tubes again? Or maybe go for blue tubing this time?

Is the staining on the outside or inside of the tubing?
I don't know. I rubbed a Q-tip or an earbud (depending on where ya from) on the inside of the tube and nothing seemed to come off. But here is a pic of one of the tubes after Disassembly. You can see where the tube is crystal clear. That's where it obviously attached to the compression fitting. I am guessing it's on the inside of the tube because the tube has darkened where in contact with water. Plasticizers being leeches from the tube maybe? It stayed nice and clean for a while and only started going brown recently.


Heat?

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Heat?

Must be cos my tubing is a lighter shade of your tubing, and can tell you my coolant got way hotter than it should of!
Heat causes tubes to discolour?

How hot is too hot for coolant then? Cause iI know my tubing would get quite warm to the touch. Especially during BF4 or a similar game which stresses both GPU's and the CPU to an extent. What is the ideal temperature for the coolant to be at to prevent this? Cause things are only going to get hotter. Cause I am adding my Fury's into the loop with full cover EKWB blocks. But I am not increasing my radiator space. I am staying with the XSPC EX280mm and EX360mm.

I really don't know , I was just throwing it out there as a possibility. By the looks of the tubing, the liquid is subjecting it to something it doesn't like, where the barb protected the tubing from contact with the liquid, it is still clear.
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no, no one smokes in my house. But I have visited friends houses occasionally for weekend LAN 's and there have been some smokers present then? Maybe something to do with the fact that I live on a small holding and lots of dust?

These tubes stayed clear for a lot longer than my old ones. Should I go with clear tubes again? Or maybe go for blue tubing this time?

Is the staining on the outside or inside of the tubing?
I don't know. I rubbed a Q-tip or an earbud (depending on where ya from) on the inside of the tube and nothing seemed to come off. But here is a pic of one of the tubes after Disassembly. You can see where the tube is crystal clear. That's where it obviously attached to the compression fitting. I am guessing it's on the inside of the tube because the tube has darkened where in contact with water. Plasticizers being leeches from the tube maybe? It stayed nice and clean for a while and only started going brown recently.


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Heat?

Must be cos my tubing is a lighter shade of your tubing, and can tell you my coolant got way hotter than it should of!
Heat causes tubes to discolour?

How hot is too hot for coolant then? Cause iI know my tubing would get quite warm to the touch. Especially during BF4 or a similar game which stresses both GPU's and the CPU to an extent. What is the ideal temperature for the coolant to be at to prevent this? Cause things are only going to get hotter. Cause I am adding my Fury's into the loop with full cover EKWB blocks. But I am not increasing my radiator space. I am staying with the XSPC EX280mm and EX360mm.

I really don't know , I was just throwing it out there as a possibility. By the looks of the tubing, the liquid is subjecting it to something it doesn't like, where the barb protected the tubing from contact with the liquid, it is still clear.
Well I used distilled water and a anti corrosive additive. Propylene Glycol. Used in the Zalman zm-200 stuff.

I'll get clear tubes again and run just distilled + silver and see how it performs. I still have my old kill coil. Can I RE use it?
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But what I can not deal with, is wasting time with rebuilding and RMA's.... especially not if it's more than once.

I just followed up some of the reviews for this 970 Performance on newegg and am seeing people who bought the board and were initially happy with it, but it has now failed them after 3-6 months of use.

I saw so many reviews saying their board failed.... and now I am in the same boat. Pretty dissapointed with the durability, though the initial quality qas great. Like a Hyundai I guess.... tongue.gif

Thanks for the advise!

This is why i discourage Asrock 4+1 users to overclock beyond 4Ghz. There is a reason why Asrock gives 1 year warranty in USA for many of the boards. Yours may have had a quiet mosfet death, but it could very well be something that failed inside the socket. I 've no idea what exactly it has, but if you look on older sockets, they had components inside, that now are covered by the plastic. Still, running this at 80C, may be unhealthy.

Yours has a higher phase count and still died. Well, at least, if it's mosfet related death, it didn't catch fire. It could be a capacitor dying too, but with the new ones, you never know. I think you will do well with ASUS. I know, i hate RMAs too (which is why i always buy spare mobos).

To be honest, you pushed that board to the very limit... I don't think Asrock ever thought someone would manage to run it to 4.9 Ghz. biggrin.gif
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