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Anyone have any experience with the MSI 990fxa GAMING board?

Plenty of good reviews for the 970 version, but nothing on big brother....

Here is some information bout it: http://www.overclock.net/t/1554299/msi-990fxa-gaming-motherboard

not a real review but just some information what people get with this particular board.
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post #52502 of 67685
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Anyone have any experience with the MSI 990fxa GAMING board?

Plenty of good reviews for the 970 version, but nothing on big brother....
6+2 phase with Nikos mosfets. Personally it screams stay away to me. It should manage up to around 4.7GHz but not much more. Personally if you are in the market for a more budget board. You know where I stand. tongue.gif M5A99FX is where it's at. More dough will get you more shineys though. Like a Saberkitty or a GD-80.
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post #52503 of 67685
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Anyone have any experience with the MSI 990fxa GAMING board?

Plenty of good reviews for the 970 version, but nothing on big brother....
6+2 phase with Nikos mosfets. Personally it screams stay away to me. It should manage up to around 4.7GHz but not much more. Personally if you are in the market for a more budget board. You know where I stand. tongue.gif M5A99FX is where it's at. More dough will get you more shineys though. Like a Saberkitty or a GD-80.

Pretty much spot on, the GD - 65 is better for overclocking from what I see, but you aren't going to get fully stable clocks of 5 ghz on either of them.

Newegg had the sabertooth for $170 last week, but they sold out, color not withstanding, that would have been a good option for you.
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Here is some information bout it: http://www.overclock.net/t/1554299/msi-990fxa-gaming-motherboard

not a real review but just some information what people get with this particular board.


I can vouch for both Sabertooth Gen 1 and the R2 as I currently own both. I also just bought a GD80 to play with. I have the latest BIOS and if you put an 8 core in it the highest manual voltage is 1.44 volts. Which in reality is like 1.38 volts with vdroop. If you set the voltage to auto it is like 1.52 volts. That to me is too high. It has no voltage offset as far as I can tell. Of course we know it doesn't have LLC. If you put a 6300 you can manually select voltages all the way to 1.7 volts. I know plenty of people run 8 cores in this board. I wonder what the workaround is as far as setting the appropriate vcore? I like the BIOS better than my UD3 and UD5 but it seems to be lacking in overclocking options. I do like that it settings for .5 increments in the multiplier.
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P states?
power states or the voltages/clocks the power saving features use for each state based on power draw...so when you require more power the pstate (voltage/clock) moves up to the power draws level...iirc you can edit these but I don't know how
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Here is some information bout it: http://www.overclock.net/t/1554299/msi-990fxa-gaming-motherboard

not a real review but just some information what people get with this particular board.


I can vouch for both Sabertooth Gen 1 and the R2 as I currently own both. I also just bought a GD80 to play with. I have the latest BIOS and if you put an 8 core in it the highest manual voltage is 1.44 volts. Which in reality is like 1.38 volts with vdroop. If you set the voltage to auto it is like 1.52 volts. That to me is too high. It has no voltage offset as far as I can tell. Of course we know it doesn't have LLC. If you put a 6300 you can manually select voltages all the way to 1.7 volts. I know plenty of people run 8 cores in this board. I wonder what the workaround is as far as setting the appropriate vcore? I like the BIOS better than my UD3 and UD5 but it seems to be lacking in overclocking options. I do like that it settings for .5 increments in the multiplier.

Have fun with the GD-80, where did you manage to find one , is it new?

Use MSI's control center utility to get more voltage out of it ( up to 1.9 volts). Early bios versions actually seem to give better overclocks on the 8xxx chips, and it works very well with the E series chips, runs cooler than my other boards do. On the flip side, stay away from the high VID chips - 9xxx's .
In all the screwing around I've done with mine, I'd say setting it at 1.72 volts is pretty nearly the limit make sure to have good airflow everywhere, even the backside of the socket and mosfets.
Using early bios versions and the control center utility that has "56" as the last digits gave me the best results, it will allow for a .08 volt droop at full load , with at solid floor at that level. I would NOT use click bios, it lowers the Vdroop, I get better OC's with out using it.

Mine is almost 3 years old and has been beat on much of that time and has had no issues whatsoever.

I validated an 8320 at almost 5.2 ghz on the stock cooler , setting the voltage at 1.55 in control center ( see sig)
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I validated an 8320 at almost 5.2 ghz on the stock cooler , setting the voltage at 1.55 in control center ( see sig)

You have a lot of impressive overclocks in that sig on ambient air or liquid cooling (assuming 1.7+v is on ambient?), needless to say I of all people totally impressed 100%.

At those clock speeds, I use Tap to Drain liquid cooling to handle the temps very benchable as well.

Good Show sir! thumb.gif
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I validated an 8320 at almost 5.2 ghz on the stock cooler , setting the voltage at 1.55 in control center ( see sig)

You have a lot of impressive overclocks in that sig on ambient air or liquid cooling (assuming 1.7+v is on ambient?), needless to say I of all people totally impressed 100%.

At those clock speeds, I use Tap to Drain liquid cooling to handle the temps very benchable as well.

Good Show sir! thumb.gif

They are pretty much stunts and good for validations only, but thank you smile.gif. The GD -80 Runs a lot cooler than my other boards, which makes it possible to do such outlandish things. However for long duration stress tests at very high clocks, the lack of LLC does handicap it compared to the CHVZ's I own. For benching on water cooling , I can do as well or better with the GD 80 - LN2 or other extreme cooling would probably bring the CHVZ's advantages to light. Memory overclocking is better on the CHVZ , but I've been able to push my NB and HT link speeds higher on the GD 80.

1.7+ volts was only done with the cold ambients of my garage's benching station during winter , but I have never used dry ice, phase, or LN2.
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They are pretty much stunts and good for validations only, but thank you smile.gif. The GD -80 Runs a lot cooler than my other boards, which makes it possible to do such outlandish things. However for long duration stress tests at very high clocks, the lack of LLC does handicap it compared to the CHVZ's I own. For benching on water cooling , I can do as well or better with the GD 80 - LN2 or other extreme cooling would probably bring the CHVZ's advantages to light. Memory overclocking is better on the CHVZ , but I've been able to push my NB and HT link speeds higher on the GD 80.

1.7+ volts was only done with the cold ambients of my garage's benching station during winter , but I have never used dry ice, phase, or LN2.

Nice. Winter overclocking is always more fun! Can't wait for that again. Right now all week in the midwest we've been in the 90+F range.

No doubt adding voltage to CPU/NB, HT, and Chipset (NB Core) adds incredible heat.

Lately I've been experimenting with sub 200 bus frequencies. It seems to add stability for benching, daily clocks and stress testing. You may have seen a screen shot previously.....

Any how the lower bus frequency and higher multiplier seems to improve benchmarks and all around performance including but not limited to gaming and rendering. I've tested this a few times vs a 262 bus clock vs the 185. Have gone as low as 175, 170 seems to cut out pretty good with nothing more than a simple no post scenario.

Should give it a shot sometime. Perhaps you can help confirm my results, perhaps your results will differ greatly. I set Ram frequency to 2400 and it gets down clocked with no noticeable performance hit to memory bandwidth.

Here's a screen shot so You don't have to dig around.



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For some reason my system becomes unstable when power saving is enabled at 5ghz, can you give me some tips on how to get stability back? If i run a stress test with power saving on it locks up.

Not much of an overclocker. I run at 4Ghz. I just did a couple of curiocity runs. My theory, is that LLC might be the culprit. When you overclockers fiddle with LLC, you do it for the max P-State. But LLC affects all P-States. When using high or very high LLC, the voltage for the lowest P-States might drop a bit too much, causing crash. Just a guess, because i remember an overclocker in the forum that had such troubles.

Beyond that, i don't know. If it was a "fixed" problem, the it would appear for all overclocks. Like i said, i 've been to 4.5Ghz with no problem. This is also a reason why i suspect LLC. For 5Ghz, overclockers usually use very high or extreme LLC, which may explain why it gives problems. If you pass stress test at 5Ghz, but when you turn power saving on, you crash, the obviously the problem isn't at 5Ghz, but at the lower P-States and most likely, the 2 lowest ones. You could try to lower LLC (you 'd have to use higher voltage setting for 5Ghz) and see if it solves the problem. If not, i am out of ideas. biggrin.gif

No one should use extreme llc on 24/7 it is for l2n. My llc depends on the board. Do I need it? No I can get the OC without. But this won't be the first time I have said this. The lower the llc the better
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