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Smith, for what it's worth, that's probably a decent job on the song...

But, at my age and musical likes, I just can't stand RAP...

Nothing against you personally, just the stull called RAP...

Yeah I hear you, I'm actually a metal head myself, rap was a fun hobby for me though back then.

I am more of a guitar player....

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I see what you mean, but I don't feel like I killed the chip at all.

And as far as the board goes.... Yes, it was a budget board, but it is also claimed to be 220W compatible, meaning this board should run a 9590 @ 1.55v correct?
I gave it everything it needed to survive 1.46v happily, and I even dropped it down to 4.8GHz @ 1.4v for the summer. I actively cooled the VRM, the socket, and the CPU with a 240mm AIO


I may keep the chip and take it as a lesson learned, but maybe AMD needs to monitor their board partners claims a little closer......

I mean, am I also wrong to RMA the board? Does the vendor not need to learn a lesson of their own in quality control? thinking.gif

Yes, you should RMA. Like you say, it's is supposed to run on 1.55v. I 've put on a trial run 1.488v on the Giga UD3P and i actually put about 1.5v in another before i aborted. Without additional cooling or anything. Your model, named "performance", is clearly meant for overclockers that want to save a few bucks instead of paying the usual Sabertooth. So Asrock should expect it to overclock. If someone wanted to buy an Asrock motherboard to run stock, he would have bought the 970 extreme3 or extreme4 or the even cheaper models. No manufacturer sells a board saying "overclockable up to 5Ghz" or something, but when you sell motherboards that you KNOW are going to fall into overclockers' hands most likely, you should expect them to overclock and pay more attention to heating problems.
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I looked at that Ashes of Singularity chart and then ran Passmark. No one likes it but it tests everything. Anyway I discovered some things.

Overall my 8370 @ 5ghz is not as good as a 5820K but is equal to a 4790K and is better than a 6700K.

It is best at integer math and worst at SSE extended instructions. What does that mean for this game? The results for it are flat. Something is holding it back and I bet it is SSE.

It appears the game is optimized to use instruction sets that AMD can not use.
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I looked at that Ashes of Singularity chart and then ran Passmark. No one likes it but it tests everything. Anyway I discovered some things.

Overall my 8370 @ 5ghz is not as good as a 5820K but is equal to a 4790K and is better than a 6700K.

It is best at integer math and worst at SSE extended instructions. What does that mean for this game? The results for it are flat. Something is holding it back and I bet it is SSE.

It appears the game is optimized to use instruction sets that AMD can not use.

If you open CPU-Z, you will see that Vishera supports all SSEs, up to 4.2. Of course, this is an Intel invented instruction, so Intel may have always better implementation, i don't know. One thing is certain. It's natural that Vishera performs better in integer, because in integer, all 8 cores work at their full potential. SSE uses floating point, so the Vishera's module problem kicks in, where 2 cores must run at 128 bit FPU mode each instead of 256 bit.

And i think most games use FPU (at least in part), so the shared FPU will always hit the Vishera.

EDIT: Ideally, AMD would like programs to use AMD's own instructions (FMA, XOP), but the programs that do that are very few... Video encoding is an application where Visheras perform very well, because majority of the process, is integer, although there is a part where FPU is used (and actually uses also AMD's instructions), but since the most of the heavy lifting is done with integer, Visheras hold up very well. Compressing/decompressing, by the looks of various benches, must also be primarily integer heavy operation, this is why AMD performs well there too. Same for encryption.
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It has been contended that Intel compiler coder will sense NON-intel chips and direct them toward slower instruction sets. This has been taken to court and ruled against Intel, now they're just not secretive about it. Most software is written using ICC even windows. That isn't the only problem but contributes to the performance gap. Sometimes the Intel compiler patch can make some improvements. http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=532&t=138849
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I agree with RMA'ing the board but not the CPU.....

on the bright side of things you tested the unknown waters and brought back some solid data on that ASRock board....pity it took out the 8300 though :/
I would actually try and get the board manufacturer to replace the chip...if their board hadnt went the chip was week within it's limits...if he had overclocked the chip and it failed in its own ok...but the board failed and took it with it...but if they refuse sure chalk it up to lessons learned...I personally don't rma anything unless it comes doa or dies soon thereafter...because I run my parts hard...and sometimes over heat specs too...but I've Jane's cooler is better now so I'm getting away from that...ive done two rmas in the last 15 years...one was recently on an mcp50x pump came with a bad connection...and 12 years ago an 8800gtx to go with the other one I had...I actually didn't do rma but a refund as it was the last of the stock....overpaid for it anyhow so it worked out
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The first thing I do with any new program I install is run it through the ICC Patcher. It does make a difference.
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I agree with RMA'ing the board but not the CPU.....

on the bright side of things you tested the unknown waters and brought back some solid data on that ASRock board....pity it took out the 8300 though :/
I would actually try and get the board manufacturer to replace the chip...if their board hadnt went the chip was week within it's limits...if he had overclocked the chip and it failed in its own ok...but the board failed and took it with it...but if they refuse sure chalk it up to lessons learned...I personally don't rma anything unless it comes doa or dies soon thereafter...ive done two rmas in the last 15 years...one was recently on an mcp50x pump came with a bad connection...and 12 years ago an 8800gtx to go with the other one I had...I actually didn't do rma but a refund as it was the last of the stock....overpaid for it anyhow so it worked out

Asrock will not replace the CPU. They're not liable for it. Probably quite specific in their warranty literature.
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The first thing I do with any new program I install is run it through the ICC Patcher. It does make a difference.

I had downloaded it once, but seemed too much work to patch each application and i was also afraid that it may break the executable... And since i don't have performance issues (even at mere 4Ghz), i thought "let's not do it".

If only AMD had made 8 cores like the Thuban days, without sharing FPU, then the FPU performance would be like in purely integer operations. But i guess they had die size and power consumption restrictions... Still, i never liked the module idea and to this day, i am more fond of my Propus chips than the Visheras. I also had a Thuban, but never liked it much, power hungry pig, gave it for free finally to a friend this summer.

I hope Zen comes with "normal" cores, although i don't see me upgrading. Maybe i will upgrade 1 rig when Zen's revision comes out. I will probably hit at least one Vishera when they go EOL. I will probably phase out a dual core Regor, although i looooove that chip.
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Asrock will not replace the CPU. They're not liable for it. Probably quite specific in their warranty literature.
I would still ask...I'd probably take myself outside and whoop up on myself for taking that chance...I almost had to with the asrock killer board smile.gif but to be fair it's still running strong on 4.6@1.42v...but it wasn't the sabertooth and chv killer they touted it to be by far...should've known when a washed up pro gamer was endorsing it after his other failure fatality products lol...but really though we take these chances when we buy the newest offerings with no review...I bought my 1200 watt rosewill photon without reviews...still have yet to see a proper review for it...the reviews on the 750 are good so I took a chance and so far it's doing great but had it killed my components I couldn't blame anyone but me...running them like the bulls
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