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Well, I posted pics of the burned chokes, but the system was still working after the "pop" that I heard, so I am guessing that they tested the board, and it worked, but they noted the damaged power circuitry and are replacing the board to prevent failure from the circuit completely burning up at some point, which it obviously would have.

No way of convincing them that their trash board killed my CPU though, which sucks.
there's no guarantee that if ran at say 4.6 you would have pooped the board or killed the cpu by popping the board...we put a lot at risk demanding 1gz and more overclock from these chips we've seen here even the top boards give up the magic smoke at those numbers...asking for 1.5ghz overclock on a board you were pretty sure was middle of the road is risky anyhow..if it were my company I would have done the same and perhaps denied your claim had I known you ran it to hell and back lol. I'm pretty sure if my pc caught fire and burned into a pile I wouldn't fault any of the companies that made the parts simply because I know what I've put them through....
Edited by mfknjadagr8 - 10/1/15 at 10:16am
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there's no guarantee that if ran at say 4.6 you would have pooped the board or killed the cpu by popping the board...we put a lot at risk demanding 1gz and more overclock from these chips we've seen here even the top boards give up the magic smoke at those numbers...asking for 1.5ghz overclock on a board you were pretty sure was middle of the road is risky anyhow..if it were my company I would have done the same and perhaps denied your claim had I known you ran it to hell and back lol

The board is 220W 9590 compatible though..... I wasn't even pushing it to the point they claim it can be pushed to....... which is 1.55v 4.7Ghz-5Ghz right?

So I don't feel like I was pushing the board beyond what they rated it for. Now if you want to call me a little naive for believing the board could actually handle 220W CPU, then I'll give you that, but my thoughts were that I would be protected by their claim if it does go up in smoke, and it did, and they are replacing it, which I feel is fair.
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So I don't feel like I was pushing the board beyond what they rated it for. Now if you want to call me a little naive for believing the board could actually handle 220W CPU, then I'll give you that, but my thoughts were that I would be protected by their claim if it does go up in smoke, and it did, and they are replacing it, which I feel is fair.

This is the problem with Asrock. The claims. Like, have you seen in the forum some 3+1 motherboards that claim they support 8 core 125W Visheras and the user then comes to complain he gets "low fps"? (throttling). A bit like that. Or, when i bought the 970 extreme3, 8320/8350 were in the compatibility list. Some 1 1/2 years later, they put an asterisk on them (to use top down cooler) and after yet some other time, they completely remove them, while leaving the Bulldozer 125W compatible. After yet some time, they removed the Bulldozer 125W too. Why? Because eager teenager was seeing "extreme 3, support 140W, Vishera 8 core ready" and was thinking "cool, i am gonna overclock this...extreme motherboard". And they ended up first in RMA rate. And Asrock was losing money. So they removed them.

This just to say a bit about how Asrock's "certifications" go... (MSI has similar story with "don't run burn in tools on this motherboard" labels, later removed).
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I dare you to try a 9590 on that asrock board, in fact I double dog dare you. Ha ha
Like I said before asrock uses doublers which just split the signals but doesn't really deliver any more current than a typical 4 phase board would. If you're really curious as to how these circuits work , then have a read here. http://sinhardware.com/index.php/vrm-articles/82-vrm-guide
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Exactly! Which is why I don't ever recommend Asrock boards anymore on the AMD side. I have seen way too many dead boards and processors on their hardware. mad.gif

Edit: speaking from experience here. I have a dead Extreme9 and a dead FX-8350 to prove it. And I too was not pushing the rig hard. I was well within what would have been safe parameters on any good quality board.
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I am with Johan45 Gigabyte onry board I have seen it make a difference

So should I just set it back to stock? Why is it even on the Asus board? Also what is stock I've forgotten... LOL biggrin.gif
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I dare you to try a 9590 on that asrock board, in fact I double dog dare you. Ha ha
Like I said before asrock uses doublers which just split the signals but doesn't really deliver any more current than a typical 4 phase board would. If you're really curious as to how these circuits work , then have a read here. http://sinhardware.com/index.php/vrm-articles/82-vrm-guide

I have another understanding on that. The motherboards with doublers DO deliver more power than a typical 4 phase. The power is delivered by the mosfets, which are twice the number of a 4 phase motherboard (same goes for chokes). The difference is that PWM signal is split. This means, that a motherboard with doublers, must have the mosfets work twice as hard to deliver the power of a motherboard without doublers. Basically, the phases must remain active for double the normal amount, instead of switching off. So this is harder on the mosfets and here the quality of mosfets comes in.
For instance, the Gigabyte 970 UD3P, is 8+2 using doublers. But i don't think anyone has ever seen a 4+1 motherboard matching its overclock capability and temps. Because it's well built.

Another thing one must always look for, is what the manufacturers DON'T brag about. For example, in Asrock, you never see bragging about "x2 the copper", like Gigabyte says in the UD series. ASUS brags about the ceramic coating, which also helps. Asrock brags about the "waterproof PCB", but there is nothing "exceptional" about running cool, other than the usual "low RDS mosfets". It's a bit like MSI. Military class chokes, military class caps, but nothing about "military class Nikos mosfets". biggrin.gif

So, at the end, Asrocks run hot. This on its turn, takes its toll on mosfet efficiency and longevity, just like MSI's Nikos choice does... At the end, you end up with everyone saying that ASUS and Gigabyte overclock better...
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I dare you to try a 9590 on that asrock board, in fact I double dog dare you. Ha ha
Like I said before asrock uses doublers which just split the signals but doesn't really deliver any more current than a typical 4 phase board would. If you're really curious as to how these circuits work , then have a read here. http://sinhardware.com/index.php/vrm-articles/82-vrm-guide

I have another understanding on that. The motherboards with doublers DO deliver more power than a typical 4 phase. The power is delivered by the mosfets, which are twice the number of a 4 phase motherboard (same goes for chokes). The difference is that PWM signal is split. This means, that a motherboard with doublers, must have the mosfets work twice as hard to deliver the power of a motherboard without doublers. Basically, the phases must remain active for double the normal amount, instead of switching off. So this is harder on the mosfets and here the quality of mosfets comes in.
For instance, the Gigabyte 970 UD3P, is 8+2 using doublers. But i don't think anyone has ever seen a 4+1 motherboard matching its overclock capability and temps. Because it's well built.

Another thing one must always look for, is what the manufacturers DON'T brag about. For example, in Asrock, you never see bragging about "x2 the copper", like Gigabyte says in the UD series. ASUS brags about the ceramic coating, which also helps. Asrock brags about the "waterproof PCB", but there is nothing "exceptional" about running cool, other than the usual "low RDS mosfets". It's a bit like MSI. Military class chokes, military class caps, but nothing about "military class Nikos mosfets". biggrin.gif

So, at the end, Asrocks run hot. This on its turn, takes its toll on mosfet efficiency and longevity, just like MSI's Nikos choice does... At the end, you end up with everyone saying that ASUS and Gigabyte overclock better...

Not EVERYone..... smile.gif
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You're a brave man CSS trusting your CPU to that MSI board. Brave I say
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The board is 220W 9590 compatible though..... I wasn't even pushing it to the point they claim it can be pushed to....... which is 1.55v 4.7Ghz-5Ghz right?

So I don't feel like I was pushing the board beyond what they rated it for. Now if you want to call me a little naive for believing the board could actually handle 220W CPU, then I'll give you that, but my thoughts were that I would be protected by their claim if it does go up in smoke, and it did, and they are replacing it, which I feel is fair.
yes I'm not saying you shouldn't have rma'd...but I probably wouldn't have...they shouldn't claim something the board can't do but it's a gray area since you feared it wouldn't handle it...but yeah definitely keep the replacement for testing or sell it to someone with that caveat...it's unfortunate it took the cpu which easily handles the speed and the voltage that you input...I will always do my research from now on since I nearly did the same thing but thankfully that board couldn't supply the volts I needed without offset which for some reason ran way hotter than the same voltage without offset...so it's now running cool and happy at 4.6...

The funniest thing is that the asrock board for intel are some pretty good boards...just something about the power consumption and heat from these chips the asrock board don't handle...I've also noticed on reviews for some reason the asrock intel board are always touted as having better caps and such than their amd counterparts which seems kind of biased...
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Rosewill Photon 1200W Phanteks Enthoo Pro Logitech G5 or Steel Series MW2 edition Generic Cheapy 
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G.Skill rip jaws  Samsung 840 Pro WD BLUE 64MB Cache Ocz vertex 3 
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Swiftech h220x  alphacool nexxos st30 280mm radiator alphacool coolplex pro LT10 100mm reservoir Swiftech h220 rad only 
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Windows 7 64 Bit ENTERPRISE edition Acer 23" 1080p  asus 19" Dell Media Center  
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Rosewill Photon 1200W Phanteks Enthoo Pro Logitech G5 or Steel Series MW2 edition Generic Cheapy 
AudioAudioAudio
GEMINI HSR-1000 Logitech 5.1 surround ZALMAN clip on mic 
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