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I am stunned.

What did I miss out? I've never used Intel, not biased I just like red biggrin.gif, but my understanding was/is that Intel is mostly faster. Sure it depends on the program's you use. But as far as I know Intels are more powerful per core.
What's going on here?

By all means, I am very happy with my fx-8320. Very decent performance for it's price. Currently buzzing away at 4.8ghz while staying at a cool ~55c max on the cores under IBT.

Consider it like this. Take a Honda civic and a Ferrari. Inside a city, there is 50 kmh speed limit. So how is the Ferrari supposed to show it's faster? Most of ordinary desktop applications, don't arrive to load 100% a single AMD core. So even if Intel is 50% faster in IPC, it's something that doesn't really count. As a matter of fact, with Cool N Quiet enabled and with K10Stat set in very aggressive settings, i can't tell the difference between Athlon 640 and the FX8320. Because for most ordinary things, you don't get to hit the ceiling of a core. The difference you see it in other applications, like zipping/unzipping (multithreaded), videoencoding (huge difference), encryption software. But otherwise, i don't see difference. I could feel difference between Athlon 640 and FX8320, when the Athlon is without K10Stat. The default CnQ in AM3 feels more "slow", because the timings aren't so tight and the lowest clock is 800Mhz vs 1400Mhz. With K10Stat, you set 100ms to change P-State and the Athlon gets just as snappy.

To see difference with an Intel, you must run application that saturated an AMD core and that is poorly multithreaded (roughly, you need 2 AMD cores for 1 Intel). I see it like this: Intel is a sports car. An 8 Vishera is a power truck.

That's what I like best about the Vishera 8 core, they run rings around any of the other processors I have in the desktop. Not sure what the advantage is, but clockspeed doesn't really effect it that much, the advantage is there even when comparing stock FX8xxx vs overclocked i 7's. The 6800k I have is very similar to my i 7's in the desktop - I'd be hard pressed to know the difference.
I hope Zen offers the same nimble feel in the desktop.
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That's what I like best about the Vishera 8 core, they run rings around any of the other processors I have in the desktop. Not sure what the advantage is, but clockspeed doesn't really effect it that much, the advantage is there even when comparing stock FX8xxx vs overclocked i 7's. The 6800k I have is very similar to my i 7's in the desktop - I'd be hard pressed to know the difference.
I hope Zen offers the same nimble feel in the desktop.

People also forget, that when you run a program in the desktop enviroment, you don't really run 1 thread. Here's my task manager:



Granted, they are not all active (they periodically are), but the beauty of the FX, is exactly, that the more concurrent threads are active, the better for it! In the above photo, Chrome is a major offender, with multiple processes (tabs), each of which with > 20 threads. Which become active everytime you load something new... Something that is very often active, is the antivirus and the firewall. In the above, there is no antivirus, but if there was, you 'd have 2+ processes which are practically active everytime you do something.
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Give some more examples of what you like to play - the 970 should be fairly close to my 780ti, if you have a game I have, I would be more than willing to test it out for you on the 8 core.
You will have to make considerations for cooling, a case and power supply when jumping from the 5800k to an 8 core Vishera though.
EDIT: I don't think there is a suitable Matx board for the 8 cores so full atx is my advice.

I play anything from Borderlands to FFXIV, and Elite: Dangerous to Dishonored.
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I started with a Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3...
I would look at a good 990FX ATX board and a new small form ATX case with good airflow.

That's actually the board that I would have picked, if I did the swap. Glad to hear that the OC capabilities on it aren't the greatest.

My main thing with PC's, is that I love small form factors... I would prefer not to jump to a huge ATX case because of that, but would consider it, if the overall gains I got from performance vastly outdid what I have now. I'm running a highly modified EVGA Hadron Air, with watercooling.

FFXIV benchmarked
score20151007164921.txt 5k .txt file

Random BL2 fraps info had fps averages similar to this one, but I have no idea what settings or even what hardware I was running at the time with my FX 8xxx


I'll see if I can get my son to play for a while with me and get some meaningful fps data for you.
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Case: nzxt s340
Mobo: GIGABYTE 990FXA-UD3 V.4 Bios F3 custom cooled VRM and NB.
CPU: FX-8370E @ 4.8ghz @ 1.476 volts under load
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110 with 2 Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-2000 PWM
GPU: GIGABYTE R9 380 4gb 1000mhz core clock
GPU: GIGABYTE R9 380 4gb 1000mhz core clock
RAM: 8 gigs Corsair vengeance @ 1600
PSU: Corsair CX750
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Dx11 Low frame rates on ultra preset. Framerates only get 15-25fps better when running the low preset.

I took the video below to show the CPU usage pretty much maxed and the gpus just chillin'. After the video I changed to mantle and relaunched bf4 on the same server same map and got 25-35fps better on ultra preset.

GtaV will not run a constant 60fps+ and regularly dips into the 48-55fps range even with graphics settings low and gpus unloaded.

It would seem as if my CPU is severely bottle necking my PC performance....
Opinions?
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Case: nzxt s340
Mobo: GIGABYTE 990FXA-UD3 V.4 Bios F3 custom cooled VRM and NB.
CPU: FX-8370E @ 4.8ghz @ 1.476 volts under load
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110 with 2 Noctua NF-A14 industrialPPC-2000 PWM
GPU: GIGABYTE R9 380 4gb 1000mhz core clock
GPU: GIGABYTE R9 380 4gb 1000mhz core clock
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PSU: Corsair CX750
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Mouse: Logitech G400

Dx11 Low frame rates on ultra preset. Framerates only get 15-25fps better when running the low preset.

I took the video below to show the CPU usage pretty much maxed and the gpus just chillin'. After the video I changed to mantle and relaunched bf4 on the same server same map and got 25-35fps better on ultra preset.

GtaV will not run a constant 60fps+ and regularly dips into the 48-55fps range even with graphics settings low and gpus unloaded.

It would seem as if my CPU is severely bottle necking my PC performance....
Opinions?

Seems like something is off, those minimums are less than I get with a single 7970. Are you sure the cpu isn't throttling?
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I hope something's wrong... Hwinfo64 doesn't show the frequency dropping below 4802mhz. I'm out of town for a few days but id like to have a few ideas on what to try when I get back.
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I hope something's wrong... Hwinfo64 doesn't show the frequency dropping below 4802mhz. I'm out of town for a few days but id like to have a few ideas on what to try when I get back.
how much stress testing for stability have you done? It could be starved for voltage a bit not enough to crash but enough for poor performance
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how much stress testing for stability have you done? It could be starved for voltage a bit not enough to crash but enough for poor performance
IBT very high x15 passes consistently. I haven't ran p95 small ffts for more than just a few hours. However, that's with no load on anything else. I do have a psu that is known to underperform once it hits a certain temp. Maybe with both gpu and CPU loads the psu isn't doing so well? I should disable crossfire and try bf4 on low and ultra presets and record the fps and CPU usage. I could also load the gpus and run a CPU stability test.
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@undervolter I also have 4790k that I really have not played with. Waiting on money mostly for that build. And my 3930k.

It is 4.8ghz 2400c10 quad channel mem 100% stable. And I feel the same.

By all rights 4.8 is a pretty great chip but most Sandy bridge chips either the memory controller is good or the clock is good. Mine does both. It is still feeling super slow
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Tagged as I will be joining this club soon enough as I really can't afford an Intel CPU

Going with the 8350 on a Gigabyte 970A-UD3P board.
What are your expectations? I would recommend a ud5 at min and a clc 240 min.

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Hey guys,
I have a question, and figured I could ask it here. I've skimmed this thread a bit, but couldn't really find the information (or opinions) that I was looking for. I also don't really want to read all 5341 pages in here, but I have done some research.

I currently have an A10-5800K with a slight OC, as well as a reference GTX970 that is quite overclocked. I game pretty heavily, and when checking out the CPU vs GPU usage, I see that in some games (like Elite: Dangerous, with all settings maxed, including supersampling), my CPU is almost maxing out, running anywhere from 70-95% usage, while I feel the GPU still has a good amount headroom to play. While I game though, I also have multiple other windows and monitoring programs running on my secondary monitor. Because of that though, I'm considering doing an upgrade to an FX-8350.

I am running a mini-ITX form factor, but would obviously need to switch to mATX, since there aren't any AM3+ mobo's in that size. I'm mainly looking for opinions on making the switch. What do you guys think? Would the cost of a new mobo and 8350 be "worth" the extra amount of performance that I would receive? Would it really be that much of a difference? Would there actually be a better FM2+ CPU that I could benefit from? Looking at the A10-7870K, it's still a quad-core, but the speeds look pretty similar to what I have already.
I really don't think her is a good solution for you sadly
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I am stunned.

What did I miss out? I've never used Intel, not biased I just like red biggrin.gif, but my understanding was/is that Intel is mostly faster. Sure it depends on the program's you use. But as far as I know Intels are more powerful per core.
What's going on here?

By all means, I am very happy with my fx-8320. Very decent performance for it's price. Currently buzzing away at 4.8ghz while staying at a cool ~55c max on the cores under IBT.

Let me put it this way,

AMD FX - Loads to Windows Faster, Programs run right after you double click and stuff.

My Intel 6-core - has a longer boot time, takes more than a couple seconds of loading after executing a program.

Those are more noticeable than in-app performance where the FX may lag an Intel.

IIRC, Intel guys are talking about more than 20 seconds of boot time to be in Windows being fast. I can be in Windows in way less than 20 seconds to be in the log-on screen on the FX.

You can boot in 2 seconds on amd or intel mine is around 10 I need to update the 295x2 bios
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9590 + SSD and 2400 speed ram. Takes longer to put in the password in than it takes to boot. Boot is really fast when I set the it so all the power savers are on and the base is dropped to 4.6 and the turbo is set for 5.125. Some things run good that way and others are better with all at 4.9 and power savers off. Most of the delay I have is in getting access to the internet.
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