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@undervolter I also have 4790k that I really have not played with. Waiting on money mostly for that build. And my 3930k.

It is 4.8ghz 2400c10 quad channel mem 100% stable. And I feel the same.

By all rights 4.8 is a pretty great chip but most Sandy bridge chips either the memory controller is good or the clock is good. Mine does both. It is still feeling super slow
What are your expectations? I would recommend a ud5 at min and a clc 240 min.
I really don't think her is a good solution for you sadly
You can boot in 2 seconds on amd or intel mine is around 10 I need to update the 295x2 bios

Hmm, I hadn't really expected that.
Then again I make my conclusions out of the performance of i5 or i7's in games. Its fact that they have (in most games) a decent boost with my GPU.

What do you think about ram speed if we talk Vishera? I have my G.Skill tuned down so I could take some voltage of the cpu and cpu-nb.
What should be faster overal? I now have 4.8ghz with 1866 c8. Can up the voltage and go for 2133 c8 but I don't find much of a difference.
it depends, bf4 and a few other games have shown that higher ram is def. a tangible benefit and becoming more so every day people like to say 1600is all you need but lets face it, faster is always better;
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@undervolter I also have 4790k that I really have not played with. Waiting on money mostly for that build. And my 3930k.

It is 4.8ghz 2400c10 quad channel mem 100% stable. And I feel the same.

By all rights 4.8 is a pretty great chip but most Sandy bridge chips either the memory controller is good or the clock is good. Mine does both. It is still feeling super slow
What are your expectations? I would recommend a ud5 at min and a clc 240 min.
I really don't think her is a good solution for you sadly
You can boot in 2 seconds on amd or intel mine is around 10 I need to update the 295x2 bios

Interesting. You mean that you don't feel the Intels to be very snappy too?

no where near the windows experience with my amds
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Maybe it's just me or I haven't had enough Kool-aid but I find everything faster on my 4790K. Installing windows, drivers etc.. are all considerably faster. Mind you I'm not a "daily" user but have gamed on it and I'd still say it's faster than any of my AMD. Load times etc..
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IMO, 1333CL8 = 1600CL9 = 1866CL10 etc..... in terms of user experience without looking into Benchmarks. The plateau changes as you go higher and tighter like 2133CL9 and 2400 CL10.
The increased bandwidth achievable gets negated by the longer latency they introduce.

BTW,

can you guys share your techniques in slimming down Windows? Say Win7. And optimisation for best moolah if you can. tongue.gif
gotta try HWBOT on Novice Nimble with AMD Benches and hopefully help OCN's HWBOT Team.. biggrin.gif

So you say its better if I put the ram on the default spec and increase the cpu and cpu-nb voltage was needed?

My ram is rated at 2400 c9-11-11-31.
Will run on 2133 c9-10-10-28.
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Win10 is actually quite good. More 7ish than 8 or 8.1ish. lol

Thanks for those. I just set it to Best Performance and enable Aero themes.

Now comes, Driver Downloads on 100kbps down speed. biggrin.gif

Wow. Haven't seen/heard about those speeds in a while.
Guess we are spoiled here. I have the mid package from my provider and I get 14 MB/s. 120ish mbit
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it depends, bf4 and a few other games have shown that higher ram is def. a tangible benefit and becoming more so every day people like to say 1600is all you need but lets face it, faster is always better;
no where near the windows experience with my amds

Fair enough.
    
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it depends, bf4 and a few other games have shown that higher ram is def. a tangible benefit and becoming more so every day people like to say 1600is all you need but lets face it, faster is always better;
no where near the windows experience with my amds
but is faster better on ram if it limits your overclock on the processor...as wouldn't core be king in most cases?
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So you say its better if I put the ram on the default spec and increase the cpu and cpu-nb voltage was needed?

My ram is rated at 2400 c9-11-11-31.
Will run on 2133 c9-10-10-28.
Wow. Haven't seen/heard about those speeds in a while.
Guess we are spoiled here. I have the mid package from my provider and I get 14 MB/s. 120ish mbit
Fair enough.

I don't think my previous clocks and voltages on my 8370E were affected big by swapping my RAM kit from an 1866 Crucial to a 2400 Gskill.

If you think you need to tweak those voltages by a huge degree, try to approach things differently. Observe where and what are the characteristics of the kit. And little by little, tweak things out.

This is evident on my system as with a Crucial kit, I can go up to 300+ FSB but my Gskill limits that to 252. Not talking STABLE here. So you get the idea.

Voltage is not the solution to everything. Sometimes, you need to grab a hold where things work in harmony.

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but is faster better on ram if it limits your overclock on the processor...as wouldn't core be king in most cases?

I didn't feel limited by swapping to a 2400 kit. Ceiling was the same as before. Both on 8320 and 8370. Just saying.

But to be fair, my Gskill rewrote my OC settings. Nothing more.
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but is faster better on ram if it limits your overclock on the processor...as wouldn't core be king in most cases?

Nah it's not that I am limited by raising my memory.
My chip won't clock much higher anyway. 4.7 is about the sweetspot.
Temp wise I can go higher but it needs absurd voltage. Like 4.7 will run on 1.46ish and 4.8 will need 1.5. Above that it goes upwards fast. biggrin.gif
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I don't think my previous clocks and voltages on my 8370E were affected big by swapping my RAM kit from an 1866 Crucial to a 2400 Gskill.

If you think you need to tweak those voltages by a huge degree, try to approach things differently. Observe where and what are the characteristics of the kit. And little by little, tweak things out.

This is evident on my system as with a Crucial kit, I can go up to 300+ FSB but my Gskill limits that to 252. Not talking STABLE here. So you get the idea.

Voltage is not the solution to everything. Sometimes, you need to grab a hold where things work in harmony.

I didn't feel limited by swapping to a 2400 kit. Ceiling was the same as before. Both on 8320 and 8370. Just saying.

But to be fair, my Gskill rewrote my OC settings. Nothing more.

I did mess around with my memory kit a LOT. I am not really willing to spend hours and hours again. Will just settle with 1866 for now as it works fine. Have my cpu at 4.7 with 1.475v with high LLC (making it drop to ~1.45-1.46v). Cpu-nb and HT at 2400 with 1.25v on the cpu-nb.

Just tried some quick 3DMark.
4.8 1.525v 2400 cpu-nb @ 1.25v with 1866 c8-9-9-1T


4.8 1.525v 2400 cpu-nb @ 1.3v with 2400 c9-11-11-2T (2400 won't run at 1T)


Maybe the fact that I can run 1T at lower ram clocks is already giving me a decent boost. Don't know.
    
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The biggest problem I have with Linux is remembering what to do when it finally does mess up. The old system my woman uses is Linux dual boot. She does not like Linux because some of her online games don't work. I suspect that is because Linux rejects them because of the built in security issues ? "Besides if everybody is doing it and it is free there can't be anything wrong, so put it back on Windows, Meathead."

TRK rescue can fix almost all of those nice undocumented features. Her 8350 is running on air. (1. She leaves it running. 2. She is comfortable when the room is 27C ) So 4.2/ 4.5 Ghz and power savers are used. Takes about 6 hours for it to scrub an old 150 Gb Western Digital hybrid. Somehow in her internet travels she managed to find a rootkit. That is OK it it was free.

Maybe if it was an i5 Sandy K model it would take 5.5 hours. I bought the 8350 when they were still shipping them in a tin box and a 4 core intel Ks cost was more anyway.

1st used it in a MSI 890FXA-GD70. Then I put in a Saberkitty R1 and used it until the OCd Windforce 7870 killed the board. If I had bought a Asus 7870 it would have gotten repaired or replaced (fine print gotcha) So it is back in the MSI board

Note: TRK is sporadically maintained. The last ISO is about 3 years old. It takes a while for ClamAV to update the definitions (20-30 minutes). It works so I am sticking with it.

2400 speed ram is much cheaper now than it was 3 years ago. I just checked newegg and there are 53 AMD mother boards that support 2133 ram speed.
I remember from my days when I tuned Ghz RF transcievers that when those speeds reached over 1 ghz, a capacitor acted as much as resistor and resistor acted like a choke and a choke acted like a capacitor and a diode can be a amplifier.
SWR can be a biatch at Ghz speeds.
So the difference between motherboard Rev 1 and the other vers can be just changing the width of a trace for very short distance or moving it a small fraction of an inch nearer or further away or all three.
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Perhaps you need to tweak FSB a bit. *hint *hint biggrin.gif

9-11-11 may be too tight for her as well. Try to set fsb to 224 for 2400 RAM and 2680ish CPU-NB and set CR1 if it will allow you. If it does boot, proceed with stabilising that. If not try to lower CPU-NB a multi down.

Note: OC Profiles help a lot. thumb.gif

1.5 VCore won't be that hot.
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I need to OC my chip again and lost my notes. Is the guide in the OP still relevant or is there one more up to date?
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Maybe the fact that I can run 1T at lower ram clocks is already giving me a decent boost. Don't know.

1T has a definite improvement in system responsiveness on FX rigs. Booting into Windows with 1T, makes all windows open more snappily.

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The biggest problem I have with Linux is remembering what to do when it finally does mess up.

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Plextor M6S 128GB Toshiba 2TB SATAIII LiteOn Blu Ray burner IHBS 112-2 Xigmatek Balder 
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Windows 7 Pro 64bit Samsung S22B350H Microsoft Wired 600 Corsair VS350 
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Lepa LPC 306 Logitech M90 Onboard 
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FX-8320@4Ghz Gigabyte 970 UD3P rev2.1 Gainward GTX 750Ti Corsair XMS3 1600Mhz 16GB (4x4GB) 
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Crucial BX100 250GB Western Digital Green 2TB LiteOn Blu-Ray Burner IHBS 112-2 LG BH16NS55 Blu-Ray Burner 
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Scythe Katana 3 Windows 7 Pro 64bit ASUS 22" VS228HR Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600 
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EVGA 430W Sharkoon VG4-V Logitech M90 Onboard 
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FX-8300 Asrock 970 Extreme3 HIS 6570 Silence Corsair XMS3 1600Mhz 8GB (2x4GB) CAS9 
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Plextor M6S 128GB Toshiba 2TB SATAIII LiteOn Blu Ray burner IHBS 112-2 Xigmatek Balder 
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Windows 7 Pro 64bit Samsung S22B350H Microsoft Wired 600 Corsair VS350 
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Lepa LPC 306 Logitech M90 Onboard 
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