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Guys a question. I tried running Crysis 3 at 4K on my machine. However when I tried the machine shut down. I had to take power out. Wait for mobo light to go out and try again. I do not think I tripped OCP on my PSU cause its 850W and my wall meter shows a maximum draw of just under 800 and that is not taking into account the 92% efficiency my PSU provides. What then would cause my machine to literally instantly shut down like that?

I tried Tomb Raider at 4K and it also drew around 800 from the wall and it did not trip or anything? headscratch.gif

100% PSU issue.

Personally i would never have an under powered PSU, it has only 50 watts left and its not only the wattage but also amperage on the 12v rail that counts.
Before my Seasonic X-850 i had an OCZ 500 watt PSU and i had strange problems when benching everything maxed out, change it to higher wattage CM V-850 and problems solved.

Its always advised to get a PSU with much more head room than your system draws.

If i were you and i had the money, i would go buy an CM V-1000 these are very good PSU's for a decent price.
i do not think its a psu issue. 1. its new. barely a year old. 2. its rated continuous is 850w. according to the wall meter I pulled 800W. Taking efficiency into acount I was pulling 732W out of the PSU. The Be Quite DPP 10 850w also has a peak wattage of 950W.

So no. I disagree, on it being a PSU issue.

EDIT: I will also repeat what I said in the previous post as well. I have pulled more than that from the wall before without any issue.

I really don't know , but I've tripped the ocp on an 850 gold rated seasonic with an FX at 5.4 ghz and a single overclocked 290X lightning that was on stock cooling. First guess would be power supply , but it could be that the board is thinking about " pooping the bed".
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Guys a question. I tried running Crysis 3 at 4K on my machine. However when I tried the machine shut down. I had to take power out. Wait for mobo light to go out and try again. I do not think I tripped OCP on my PSU cause its 850W and my wall meter shows a maximum draw of just under 800 and that is not taking into account the 92% efficiency my PSU provides. What then would cause my machine to literally instantly shut down like that?

I tried Tomb Raider at 4K and it also drew around 800 from the wall and it did not trip or anything? headscratch.gif

Earlier this month I was having a problem with Windows 10 updating my chipset instruction past a compatible level. Had nothing to do with my psu from what I understand, but the symptoms of random shutdown read similar to your problem. Just a FYI
Can you divulge in this a bit further?

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Guys a question. I tried running Crysis 3 at 4K on my machine. However when I tried the machine shut down. I had to take power out. Wait for mobo light to go out and try again. I do not think I tripped OCP on my PSU cause its 850W and my wall meter shows a maximum draw of just under 800 and that is not taking into account the 92% efficiency my PSU provides. What then would cause my machine to literally instantly shut down like that?

I tried Tomb Raider at 4K and it also drew around 800 from the wall and it did not trip or anything? headscratch.gif

100% PSU issue.

Personally i would never have an under powered PSU, it has only 50 watts left and its not only the wattage but also amperage on the 12v rail that counts.
Before my Seasonic X-850 i had an OCZ 500 watt PSU and i had strange problems when benching everything maxed out, change it to higher wattage CM V-850 and problems solved.

Its always advised to get a PSU with much more head room than your system draws.

If i were you and i had the money, i would go buy an CM V-1000 these are very good PSU's for a decent price.
i do not think its a psu issue. 1. its new. barely a year old. 2. its rated continuous is 850w. according to the wall meter I pulled 800W. Taking efficiency into acount I was pulling 732W out of the PSU. The Be Quite DPP 10 850w also has a peak wattage of 950W.

So no. I disagree, on it being a PSU issue.

EDIT: I will also repeat what I said in the previous post as well. I have pulled more than that from the wall before without any issue.

I really don't know , but I've tripped the ocp on an 850 gold rated seasonic with an FX at 5.4 ghz and a single overclocked 290X lightning that was on stock cooling. First guess would be power supply , but it could be that the board is thinking about " pooping the bed".
Well. Pooping the bed? Mobo shut down from power draw? Dunno. I know I tested my OC earlier in the week and it was rock solid in IBT and HCI memtest. I know that is no guarantee but still.
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More volts?

I bumped the ram to 1.7 and the CPU-NB to 1.3v (and it is completely stable up to 2600mhz so far) but trying the ram any higher than 1600 is a no post, even with cpu/nb both stock.

Seems like maybe the board doesn't like the ram, or it could be the slots.
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Guys a question. I tried running Crysis 3 at 4K on my machine. However when I tried the machine shut down. I had to take power out. Wait for mobo light to go out and try again. I do not think I tripped OCP on my PSU cause its 850W and my wall meter shows a maximum draw of just under 800 and that is not taking into account the 92% efficiency my PSU provides. What then would cause my machine to literally instantly shut down like that?

I tried Tomb Raider at 4K and it also drew around 800 from the wall and it did not trip or anything? headscratch.gif

Earlier this month I was having a problem with Windows 10 updating my chipset instruction past a compatible level. Had nothing to do with my psu from what I understand, but the symptoms of random shutdown read similar to your problem. Just a FYI
Can you divulge in this a bit further?

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Guys a question. I tried running Crysis 3 at 4K on my machine. However when I tried the machine shut down. I had to take power out. Wait for mobo light to go out and try again. I do not think I tripped OCP on my PSU cause its 850W and my wall meter shows a maximum draw of just under 800 and that is not taking into account the 92% efficiency my PSU provides. What then would cause my machine to literally instantly shut down like that?

I tried Tomb Raider at 4K and it also drew around 800 from the wall and it did not trip or anything? headscratch.gif

100% PSU issue.

Personally i would never have an under powered PSU, it has only 50 watts left and its not only the wattage but also amperage on the 12v rail that counts.
Before my Seasonic X-850 i had an OCZ 500 watt PSU and i had strange problems when benching everything maxed out, change it to higher wattage CM V-850 and problems solved.

Its always advised to get a PSU with much more head room than your system draws.

If i were you and i had the money, i would go buy an CM V-1000 these are very good PSU's for a decent price.
i do not think its a psu issue. 1. its new. barely a year old. 2. its rated continuous is 850w. according to the wall meter I pulled 800W. Taking efficiency into acount I was pulling 732W out of the PSU. The Be Quite DPP 10 850w also has a peak wattage of 950W.

So no. I disagree, on it being a PSU issue.

EDIT: I will also repeat what I said in the previous post as well. I have pulled more than that from the wall before without any issue.

I really don't know , but I've tripped the ocp on an 850 gold rated seasonic with an FX at 5.4 ghz and a single overclocked 290X lightning that was on stock cooling. First guess would be power supply , but it could be that the board is thinking about " pooping the bed".
Well. Pooping the bed? Mobo shut down from power draw? Dunno. I know I tested my OC earlier in the week and it was rock solid in IBT and HCI memtest. I know that is no guarantee but still.
Oh I'm not saying your cpu overclock is unstable by any means. Stress tests like those pull a lot on the cpu side while the gpu's idle along. The load on the psu during games ( crysis 3 , BF series) is huge by comparison because of the gpu draw.
If the psu or the motherboard struggle to deliver power, funky things can happen - including exactly what you described.
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Guys a question. I tried running Crysis 3 at 4K on my machine. However when I tried the machine shut down. I had to take power out. Wait for mobo light to go out and try again. I do not think I tripped OCP on my PSU cause its 850W and my wall meter shows a maximum draw of just under 800 and that is not taking into account the 92% efficiency my PSU provides. What then would cause my machine to literally instantly shut down like that?

I tried Tomb Raider at 4K and it also drew around 800 from the wall and it did not trip or anything? headscratch.gif

Earlier this month I was having a problem with Windows 10 updating my chipset instruction past a compatible level. Had nothing to do with my psu from what I understand, but the symptoms of random shutdown read similar to your problem. Just a FYI
Can you divulge in this a bit further?

snip

Probably not much further, my happening is using Intel. I hang here because of the activity.

What I observed was upon performing a clean install of Windows 10 (upgrade), after Windows 10 registered my hardware for activation, their default chipset drivers for my hardware differed from those supplied by my motherboard brand. My solution was to install the latest updates provided by my motherboard company, effectively backdating these (instructions) for my motherboard and cpu.

That solved my shutdowns so far. I can attempt further explanation in more extensive detail, however it will include Intel terminology specifics, not of this AMD thread.
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I bumped the ram to 1.7 and the CPU-NB to 1.3v (and it is completely stable up to 2600mhz so far) but trying the ram any higher than 1600 is a no post, even with cpu/nb both stock.

Seems like maybe the board doesn't like the ram, or it could be the slots.

Well all the issues I was having with ram appears to be me just not setting CAS timings correctly or my corsair ram just doesn't like being overclocked, it's probably the former in all honesty i'm a complete noob when it comes to RAM overclocking. I think my GSKILL and CORSAIR ram get along fine as the clocks I've been setting work fine on both sets working together and I can't get them to clock any higher with tighter timings than I can with them individually.

When I set my Corsair 1600mhz RAM to 1844mhz CAS 11 my board auto sets it to 11-13-13-32 39, not sure if that's good or not tbh.
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Okay so a while back I said that my 5ghz wasn't stable with all my power saving features enabled, such as cool n quiet apm etc etc, well after people mentioned about P states and the link between those and LLC I thought okay I'll just do a quick test right now and see if I can get it stable.

So the test was this:-
  1. As it stands I'm at 4.96ghz, because my 5ghz settings got messed up due to me playing with RAM ages ago before moving out
  2. It was stable and such so I turned on power savings
  3. I went to speedtest.net to check our net speed, PC would then freeze due to P state shift
  4. Dived into the bios and set the LLC from VERY HIGH to HIGH and upped my VCORE slightly
  5. No crashing so far

So who ever it was that mentioned P States to me, I need to +Rep you because you were correct sir.*

*So far... biggrin.gif
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Can you divulge in this a bit further?
Well. Pooping the bed? Mobo shut down from power draw? Dunno. I know I tested my OC earlier in the week and it was rock solid in IBT and HCI memtest. I know that is no guarantee but still.
one thing you are missing it's it's not just wattage draw..it's voltage in both input and output voltages that ocp protects...as to it being new that means exactly nothing...as cs said with draw from gpus and cpu thus changes drastically...also all of the crysis games run hardware very hard problems you have in no other game may present themselves...another thing to note it only takes a split second of pulling too much for ocp to trip...it could be a fluctuation from lower load to higher load demanding too much...as others have said you shouldn't be running the psu to the ragged edges of its capabilities...I'd it rated for 850 continuous sure...but it's rated for that under optimal conditions this includes clean grid power, under certain thermal limits, and no major fluctuation in input or output voltages...I'm not saying it can't be something else but usually if you have to repower or cycle psu power that's ocp being tripped
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Sorry not trying to be a jerk but I want you to know the diff.
OCP is over current protection. You are talking about over voltage/under voltage protection

Same effect however.
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So far 5ghz doesn't look like it's going to be a problem at all....

But why the hell won't this kingston hyper beast 2400/C11 ram boot past 1600mhz, even with only two dimms and loosened timings?

I'm going to see if my trident-x does any better...
check the ns. Idr the name of the setting but it's options are 90,110,300 ect iirc and it will be in the memory timing setting
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one thing you are missing it's it's not just wattage draw..it's voltage in both input and output voltages that ocp protects...as to it being new that means exactly nothing...as cs said with draw from gpus and cpu thus changes drastically...also all of the crysis games run hardware very hard problems you have in no other game may present themselves...another thing to note it only takes a split second of pulling too much for ocp to trip...it could be a fluctuation from lower load to higher load demanding too much...as others have said you shouldn't be running the psu to the ragged edges of its capabilities...I'd it rated for 850 continuous sure...but it's rated for that under optimal conditions this includes clean grid power, under certain thermal limits, and no major fluctuation in input or output voltages...I'm not saying it can't be something else but usually if you have to repower or cycle psu power that's ocp being tripped

I have to say I agree, I've been watching this conversation from the outside and as soon as you said Tomb Raider ran fine but Crysis didn't I had the same thought as our fellow here, Crysis is a pretty hardcore game to run and really pushes your parts, that's why they used it as a benchmark for GPU's for such a long time.
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