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If that's the case. Can anyone recommend a power supply to me. I know of all the great brands and what to look out for. But I would actually like to try out a digital power supply. Like the Corsair AXi series. Except I don't I want a Corsair unit. Are there other brands that do digital supplies Besides Corsair? And should I go 1000 or more. Keeping in mind that I wouldn't mind adding an overclock to my Fury's in due course. Especially when the moon turns blue and we finally get voltage unlocked for our furries.

Just get a white Leadex! tongue.gif

In my opinion, the term digital is just a marketing gimick by Corsair. It's like them saying, SP120. biggrin.gif

All modern hi-end PSUs use PWM signals. Thus making them digital anyway. So don't get too inclined by the term. thumb.gif

And yeah, you need a huge 1000W+ PSU mate.

In other news, I know someone who would be very glad to get a hand at these.

http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/reviews/SuperFlower/SF-2000F14HP/1.html

Only sold outside of us although now more people supply it.i won't buy from the main supplier out of principle.
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So I ran a test now. Ran Heaven Bench at 1440P Extreme 8X AA and ran AMD Overdrives stability test on the CPU at the same time. Was drawing about 850W from the wall at 92% that means I was drawing around 782W from the PSU. Machine ran for about 45 seconds before the PSU tripped. mad.gif

So my PSU on the fritz? Need a new one?

I am probably going to have to go back to my shop. Ask to loan one of their display power supplies to test, and then if it doesn't fail with a different PSU then I will have to RMA. Cause I got 5 years warranty. Imma use it. mad.gif
mus hit it on the head. Don't get hung up on digital.

Imo don't get hung up on the USB crap. I would recommended leader or a g2/gs evga (not a nex unit) although there are several good ones the 1250x is starting to show is age. You can just be pushing to close to the edge of the psu. You are assuming you are not pushing 850w but allot can and does effect efficiency the psu may be seeing a spike before your ups.

One easy way to check. Cut your oc on cpu in half 4.4ish see if it cuts out
The thing is Mega. If this problem was happening consistently above 800W then I would believe that its my power supply being on the edge. Even although its rated for a peak output of 950W.

But the thing is it happens anything around from 650W out the wall and above. It makes 0 sense to me. If a power supply rated at 850w continuous output cannot maintain 650W out the wall then there is something very wrong. frown.gif
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The thing is Mega. If this problem was happening consistently above 800W then I would believe that its my power supply being on the edge. Even although its rated for a peak output of 950W.

But the thing is it happens anything around from 650W out the wall and above. It makes 0 sense to me. If a power supply rated at 850w continuous output cannot maintain 650W out the wall then there is something very wrong. frown.gif
. Im shure you have allredy been told this buy I can't remember any power saveing features on /does your llc give you v droop or v rise when under load because iif it is v rise the games may fluculate load and cause voltage to drop off causeing lock up.
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If that's the case. Can anyone recommend a power supply to me. I know of all the great brands and what to look out for. But I would actually like to try out a digital power supply. Like the Corsair AXi series. Except I don't I want a Corsair unit. Are there other brands that do digital supplies Besides Corsair? And should I go 1000 or more. Keeping in mind that I wouldn't mind adding an overclock to my Fury's in due course. Especially when the moon turns blue and we finally get voltage unlocked for our furries.

Just get a white Leadex! tongue.gif

In my opinion, the term digital is just a marketing gimick by Corsair. It's like them saying, SP120. biggrin.gif

All modern hi-end PSUs use PWM signals. Thus making them digital anyway. So don't get too inclined by the term. thumb.gif

And yeah, you need a huge 1000W+ PSU mate.

In other news, I know someone who would be very glad to get a hand at these.

http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/reviews/SuperFlower/SF-2000F14HP/1.html

Only sold outside of us although now more people supply it.i won't buy from the main supplier out of principle.
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So I ran a test now. Ran Heaven Bench at 1440P Extreme 8X AA and ran AMD Overdrives stability test on the CPU at the same time. Was drawing about 850W from the wall at 92% that means I was drawing around 782W from the PSU. Machine ran for about 45 seconds before the PSU tripped. mad.gif

So my PSU on the fritz? Need a new one?

I am probably going to have to go back to my shop. Ask to loan one of their display power supplies to test, and then if it doesn't fail with a different PSU then I will have to RMA. Cause I got 5 years warranty. Imma use it. mad.gif
mus hit it on the head. Don't get hung up on digital.

Imo don't get hung up on the USB crap. I would recommended leader or a g2/gs evga (not a nex unit) although there are several good ones the 1250x is starting to show is age. You can just be pushing to close to the edge of the psu. You are assuming you are not pushing 850w but allot can and does effect efficiency the psu may be seeing a spike before your ups.

One easy way to check. Cut your oc on cpu in half 4.4ish see if it cuts out
The thing is Mega. If this problem was happening consistently above 800W then I would believe that its my power supply being on the edge. Even although its rated for a peak output of 950W.

But the thing is it happens anything around from 650W out the wall and above. It makes 0 sense to me. If a power supply rated at 850w continuous output cannot maintain 650W out the wall then there is something very wrong. frown.gif

Again. We are talking about ns. Your ups does not have the ability to read that fast. You are talking about thousands of dollars of equip to see stuff like that.

I gave you an easy option to check to sees if maybe you have pushed your ps ( which according to your Last post was far closer to 800w out then 650 ) to far. Lower the oc on cpu and try again. If it does not happen again you can rule out dirty incoming power. Which would help allot in terms of trouble shooting. Do what you want this is my advice to you though

You keep saying the unit can take 950w. This is not true. It may have headroom but it is 850w. Don't assume it is 950w
Edited by Mega Man - 10/22/15 at 12:30pm
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If that's the case. Can anyone recommend a power supply to me. I know of all the great brands and what to look out for. But I would actually like to try out a digital power supply. Like the Corsair AXi series. Except I don't I want a Corsair unit. Are there other brands that do digital supplies Besides Corsair? And should I go 1000 or more. Keeping in mind that I wouldn't mind adding an overclock to my Fury's in due course. Especially when the moon turns blue and we finally get voltage unlocked for our furries.

Just get a white Leadex! tongue.gif

In my opinion, the term digital is just a marketing gimick by Corsair. It's like them saying, SP120. biggrin.gif

All modern hi-end PSUs use PWM signals. Thus making them digital anyway. So don't get too inclined by the term. thumb.gif

And yeah, you need a huge 1000W+ PSU mate.

In other news, I know someone who would be very glad to get a hand at these.

http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/reviews/SuperFlower/SF-2000F14HP/1.html

Only sold outside of us although now more people supply it.i won't buy from the main supplier out of principle.
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So I ran a test now. Ran Heaven Bench at 1440P Extreme 8X AA and ran AMD Overdrives stability test on the CPU at the same time. Was drawing about 850W from the wall at 92% that means I was drawing around 782W from the PSU. Machine ran for about 45 seconds before the PSU tripped. mad.gif

So my PSU on the fritz? Need a new one?

I am probably going to have to go back to my shop. Ask to loan one of their display power supplies to test, and then if it doesn't fail with a different PSU then I will have to RMA. Cause I got 5 years warranty. Imma use it. mad.gif
mus hit it on the head. Don't get hung up on digital.

Imo don't get hung up on the USB crap. I would recommended leader or a g2/gs evga (not a nex unit) although there are several good ones the 1250x is starting to show is age. You can just be pushing to close to the edge of the psu. You are assuming you are not pushing 850w but allot can and does effect efficiency the psu may be seeing a spike before your ups.

One easy way to check. Cut your oc on cpu in half 4.4ish see if it cuts out
The thing is Mega. If this problem was happening consistently above 800W then I would believe that its my power supply being on the edge. Even although its rated for a peak output of 950W.

But the thing is it happens anything around from 650W out the wall and above. It makes 0 sense to me. If a power supply rated at 850w continuous output cannot maintain 650W out the wall then there is something very wrong. frown.gif

Again. We are talking about ns. Your ups does not have the ability to read that fast. You are talking about thousands of dollars of equip to see stuff like that.

I gave you an easy option to check to sees if maybe you have pushed your ps ( which according to your Last post was far closer to 800w out then 650 ) to far. Lower the oc on cpu and try again. If it does not happen again you can rule out dirty incoming power. Which would help allot in terms of trouble shooting. Do what you want this is my advice to you though

You keep saying the unit can take 950w. This is not true. It may have headroom but it is 850w. Don't assume it is 950w

I will most certainly test. According to Be Quite's! specification the PSU is rated at 850 watts continuous yet has a PEAK output of 950 watts.

Continuous power (W)850
Peak power (W)950
http://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/301

What I am telling you is the tripping has no pattern. It happens at above 800 watts. It also happens at 650 watts. Its all over the place. I did a CPU and GPU test combined where it pulled 850 out the wall and tripped.

I played planetside 2 at 1080P pulled around 600 out the wall it tripped.

It seems anything over 600 watts when combining CPU and GPU loads, for whatever reason is tripping.

I can pull 750W on GPU's alone by running heaven bench and nothing will happen. It will run all day.

We are talking about spikes. Is there really going to be a more than 100w spike that will trip my PSU at 950W? 100 watts is a big spike.

WAIT A SECOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am running in MULTI- RAIL MODE! Do you think I might be overloading one of my 4 12v rails?!? I just thought of this now maybe I should set my PSU to single 12v rail mode!?!?!?
Edited by Alastair - 10/22/15 at 12:56pm
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That looks like settings for a pretty sweet low voltage daily clock. thumb.gif

Your 8370 has a quite low VID of 1.263v! ... Mine is somewhat higher at 1.288v.

How does your sample continue to scale at 5.0/5.1/5.2? Does it still clock well? Hopefully it doesn't get particularly hot or exhibit freeze/hang at higher clocks with stress?


Its quite a big leap from 4,9 to 5,o.

I manage to get it stable with notch less than 1,4 for 4,9ghz but for 5,0 it needs 1,45v.
At 1,45 heat is accetable and peaks at 58 on cores and 56 tCase.(Coolermaster Nepton 280L)

My rig is set to auto studown if either temp reach 69 degrees celsius.smile.gif
Because its often alone during looong encoding sessions.
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Your system can easily consume excess 65A (12V) even when you are not running Prime95 or Furmark simultaneously.
At stock your graphics cards can draw 21A each and the CPU at those settings around the same amount (VRM losses included).
Unless you have connected both of the graphics cards to the same virtual rail, or the one of the cards and the CPU to the same rail it definitely should stay below OCP tripping levels in light loads (normal gaming). Most likely your graphics cards will never reach the full load due the huge CPU bottle neck.

Plug in the jumper which shorts the separate OCP shunt resistors for the separate virtual rails and try again.

Dark Power Pro 10 is made by Seasonic and is a very high quality PSU.
I´m sure you knew that already wink.gif

tl;dr however if you trip the OCP, the PSU shouldn´t start before you recycle the power switch or unplug the mains for a moment.
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I will most certainly test. According to Be Quite's! specification the PSU is rated at 850 watts continuous yet has a PEAK output of 950 watts.

Continuous power (W)850
Peak power (W)950
http://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/301

What I am telling you is the tripping has no pattern. It happens at above 800 watts. It also happens at 650 watts. Its all over the place. I did a CPU and GPU test combined where it pulled 850 out the wall and tripped.

I played planetside 2 at 1080P pulled around 600 out the wall it tripped.

It seems anything over 600 watts when combining CPU and GPU loads, for whatever reason is tripping.

I can pull 750W on GPU's alone by running heaven bench and nothing will happen. It will run all day.

We are talking about spikes. Is there really going to be a more than 100w spike that will trip my PSU at 950W? 100 watts is a big spike.

WAIT A SECOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am running in MULTI- RAIL MODE! Do you think I might be overloading one of my 4 12v rails?!? I just thought of this now maybe I should set my PSU to single 12v rail mode!?!?!?

Peak and continuous outputs are way different than what you are understanding them.

We have values in electronics called RMS, (actual reading on a common meter device) PEAK, (which is RMS/0.707). This is true with everything running electricity. But may not be applicable to everything being rated. However, very easy to be written on paper and mislead people. In your case, 850/(0.707) is more than 900W of course.

I am not gonna trust a manufacturer for the claims. As even Audio amplifiers are rated for the values above like, Peak Watts, and most of the time not by RMS (actual) power output.

Also, like Mega said, spikes happen very fast. You can't see it happen on a watt meter. Your load is not constant too.

Multi-rail to single rail switching is impossible for a PSU. It is the electronics that mist be change for it to behave like a single rail.
Edited by mus1mus - 10/22/15 at 1:29pm
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Your system can easily consume excess 65A (12V) even when you are not running Prime95 or Furmark simultaneously.
At stock your graphics cards can draw 21A each and the CPU at those settings around the same amount (VRM losses included).
Unless you have connected both of the graphics cards to the same virtual rail, or the one of the cards and the CPU to the same rail it definitely should stay below OCP tripping levels in light loads (normal gaming). Most likely your graphics cards will never reach the full load due the huge CPU bottle neck.

Plug in the jumper which shorts the separate OCP shunt resistors for the separate virtual rails and try again.

Dark Power Pro 10 is made by Seasonic and is a very high quality PSU.
I´m sure you knew that already wink.gif

tl;dr however if you trip the OCP, the PSU shouldn´t start before you recycle the power switch or unplug the mains for a moment.
Yeah I am running in seprate rail mode. My GPU's are on 12V 3 and 12V 4. They have a max output of 30A each. CPU is on 12v 1 which is 25A I think. I can combine all my rails into a combined 70A single 12V rail. I will give that a shot. Stilt I avoid the CPU bottleneck by rendering at 1440P. I get very similar FPS to the Intels when rendering above 1080P.

So lemme retry my machine in single rail mode and see what happens.
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Yeah I am running in seprate rail mode. My GPU's are on 12V 3 and 12V 4. They have a max output of 30A each. CPU is on 12v 1 which is 25A I think. I can combine all my rails into a combined 70A single 12V rail. I will give that a shot. Stilt I avoid the CPU bottleneck by rendering at 1440P. I get very similar FPS to the Intels when rendering above 1080P.

So lemme retry my machine in single rail mode and see what happens.

I a 3 rail psu?


i expect it the problem i think smile.gif



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Yeah I am running in seprate rail mode. My GPU's are on 12V 3 and 12V 4. They have a max output of 30A each. CPU is on 12v 1 which is 25A I think. I can combine all my rails into a combined 70A single 12V rail. I will give that a shot. Stilt I avoid the CPU bottleneck by rendering at 1440P. I get very similar FPS to the Intels when rendering above 1080P.

So lemme retry my machine in single rail mode and see what happens.

I a 3 rail psu?


i expect it the problem i think smile.gif



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Four rails actually. ls. And you want your higher capacity models to be multi rail.

Still did it in single rail mode. Gonna lower to around the 4.6 mark and see what that does.
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