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Nope. Single rail wins. thumb.gif
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Both of you are wrong. I'll try and post a link that will explain.

Both single rail and multiple rails have positives and negatives.

Neither is better then the other. It is like do you want milk or tomatoe juice?
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Originally Posted by Mega Man View Post

Both of you are wrong. I'll try and post a link that will explain.

Both single rail and multiple rails have positives and negatives.

Neither is better then the other. It is like do you want milk or tomatoe juice?

well, there is a positive and negative in everything electrical no? tongue.gif
 
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Originally Posted by Mega Man View Post

Both of you are wrong. I'll try and post a link that will explain.

Both single rail and multiple rails have positives and negatives.

Neither is better then the other. It is like do you want milk or tomatoe juice?


+1


Ill stick with high capacity single rail.
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Both of you are wrong. I'll try and post a link that will explain.

Both single rail and multiple rails have positives and negatives.

Neither is better then the other. It is like do you want milk or tomatoe juice?

So are you asking him if his needs are closer to cereal, or closer to grilled cheese? LOL

You are correct though, I've had good results with multi rail, and single rail psu's.
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here it is, great posts as are his posts but this is the takeaway.

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So final verdict? Single rail or multi rail? Well, with low-wattage units it doesn't matter. OCP on a single rail is useful up to about 40A or thereabouts, which is where most 550W power supplies fall. So with 550W and under power supplies, it's a moot point. However, with high wattage units, >45A on the +12V (650W and higher) picking a multi-rail unit will provide you with an extra layer of protection. It isn't essential, and it has no impact on the power supply's performance. However, it does provide an extra layer of safety in case you get a short circuit. And I would consider it a must for >1000W power supplies; [H] recently tested the single rail Corsair AX1200, but they had an accidental short circuit, and since the PSU's OCP is set for over 100A, the short overloaded and destroyed most of their testing equipment. So there is a danger with single rail units over 1000W.

So multi-rail is mildly better, especially with high wattage units, but it won't have any impact on your performance or overclockability.

i will add that is the plus or one of the pluses for this

the double edges sword is esp now, you have to worry about balancing rails which can be a big big issue but again either /or neither are wrong nor right
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Originally Posted by Mega Man View Post

Both of you are wrong. I'll try and post a link that will explain.

Both single rail and multiple rails have positives and negatives.

Neither is better then the other. It is like do you want milk or tomatoe juice?

well, there is a positive and negative in everything electrical no? tongue.gif

nerdsmiley.pnglachen.gif not in ac volts, there is no negative nor positive there is line and neutral or line and line ( and possibly line if you use 3 phase )
Edited by Mega Man - 10/22/15 at 4:08pm
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But if you're going for max single rail all the way. You'll need all the power you can get in one straight line. I have seen GFX cards pull over 1K by themselves
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you can still do this via multi rails

as shown above there are pluses and negatives for both

i would love to know what single card can pull 1kw during even remotely normal use ? IE not L2n, because we are not talking about l2n, remember right tools for right job

i know some of the fastest reasonable ocs with 2 cards can pull 1300w
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Taken from the man himself:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3990
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Ok... What's the bottom line?


The bottom line is, for 99% of the folks out there single vs. multiple +12V rails is a NON ISSUE. It's something that has been hyped up by marketing folks on BOTH SIDES of the fence. Too often we see mis-prioritized requests for PSU advice: Asking "what single +12V rail PSU should I get" when the person isn't even running SLI! Unless you're running a plethora of Peltiers in your machine, it should be a non-issue assuming that the PSU has all of the connectors your machine requires and there are no need for "splitters" (see Example 1 in the previous bullet point).

The criteria for buying a PSU should be:
Does the PSU provide enough power for my machine?
Does the PSU have all of the connectors I require (6-pin for high end PCIe, two 6-pin, four 6-pin or even the newer 8-pin PCIe connector)?
If using SLI or Crossfire, is the unit SLI or Crossfire certified (doesn't matter if a PSU is certified for one or the other as long as it has the correct connectors. If it passed certification for EITHER that means it's been real world tested with dual graphics cards in a worst case scenario).
Figure out if there are any variables that may affect the actual output capability of the PSU:
Is the PSU rated at continuous or peak?
What temperature is the PSU rated at? Room (25° to 30°C) or actual operating temperature (40°C to 50°C)
If room temperature, what's the derating curve? As a PSU runs hotter, it's capability to put out power is diminished. If no de-rate can be found, assume that a PSU rated at room temperature may only be able to put out around 75% of it's rated capability once installed in a PC.
After that, narrow selection down with finer details that may be more important to others than it may be to you....
Does the unit have power factor correction?
Is the unit efficient?
Is the unit quiet?
Is the unit modular?
Am I paying extra for bling?
Do I want bling?

I mean, it's personal preference on which should be considered. I am just a bit wary of these examples though.
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Typical multiple +12V rail configurations:

2 x 12V rails
Original ATX12V specification's division of +12V rails.
One rail to the CPU, one rail to everything else.
VERY old school since it's very likely that "everything else" may include a graphics card that requires a PCIe connector.
Typically only seen on PSU's < 600W.

3 x 12V rails
A "modified" ATX12V specification that takes into consideration PCIe power connectors.
One rail to the CPU, one rail to everything else but the PCIe connectors and a third rail just for PCIe connectors.
Works perfectly for SLI, but not good for PC's requiring four PCIe connectors.

4 x 12V rails (EPS12V style)
Originally implemented in EPS12V specification
Because typical application meant deployment in dual processor machine, two +12V rails went to CPU cores via the 8-pin CPU power connector.
"Everything else" is typically split up between two other +12V rails. Sometimes 24-pin's two +12V would share with SATA and Molex would go on fourth rail.
Not really good for high end SLI because a graphics card always has to share with something.
Currently Nvidia will NOT SLI certify PSU's using this layout because they now require PCIe connectors to get their own rail.
In the non-server, enthusiast/gaming market we don't see this anymore. The "mistake" of implementing this layout was only done initially by two or three PSU companies in PSU's between 600W and 850W and only for about a year's time.

4 x 12V rails (Most common arrangement for "enthusiast" PC)
A "modified" ATX12V, very much like 3 x 12V rails except the two, four or even six PCIe power connectors are split up across the additional two +12V rails.
If the PSU supports 8-pin PCIe or has three PCIe power connectors on each of the +12V rails, it's not uncommon for their +12V rail to support a good deal more than just 20A.
This is most common in 700W to 1000W power supplies, although for 800W and up power supplies it's not unusual to see +12V ratings greater than 20A per rail.

5 x 12V rails
This is very much what one could call an EPS12V/ATX12V hybrid.
Dual processors still each get their own rail, but so do the PCIe power connectors.
This can typically be found in 850W to 1000W power supplies.

6 x 12V rails
This is the mack daddy because it satisfies EPS12V specifications AND four or six PCIe power connectors without having to exceed 20A on any +12V rail
Two +12V rails are dedicated to CPU cores just like an EPS12V power supply.
24-pin's +12V, SATA, Molex, etc. are split up across two more +12V rails.
PCIe power connectors are split up across the last two +12V rails.
This is typically only seen in 1000W and up power supplies.

Say you have a 4-rail 1200W PSU. Each rail should be within 300W or about 25 Amps. You have to be very careful when cabling and must be always wary that you should not overload a rail. Now, you can't clearly run 2 GPUs up a single rail. Or even a CPU and a GPU for the same reason. Or even 40+ Gentle Typhoons on a single rail, for Mega's case. biggrin.gif

That's just my concern really. thumb.gif Whereas, with a single rail, you only need to do the obvious, avoiding shorting the wires and stuff and the calculation for total loading is simpler that way.

And yeah, If you split your loading enough, I feel like some resources are wasted. Or not being practically used. Some rails may be loading them selves a lot while the others, still have time to cook (Click to show)

Edited by mus1mus - 10/22/15 at 5:04pm
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Hello is their any Ln2 overclocker here that read is voltage directly from the motherboard?


My gigabyte ud3p 970a

As voltage on cpu z that move with load

And one vrm output on hwinfo 64 that move with load too


1 says voltage is stable

the second says that idle the voltage is jumping like mad


Any idea what the real reading?


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