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Whut kund of borung us thus? biggrin.gif

Capacitors pop at over volting. They also tend to burn themselves with Frequency. Not current. They don't do that methinks.

80C caps? meh good luck with that.
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Whut kund of borung us thus? biggrin.gif

Capacitors pop at over volting. They also tend to burn themselves with Frequency. Not current. They don't do that methinks.

80C caps? meh good luck with that.


Oh yea crap for the current it was the choke

Inductor’s max current: Inductor’s have something called Isat which is their saturation current. This should be the maximum current applied, however sometimes the VR will need more power and more current will be introduced. If this happens then magnetic flux will flood the core of the inductor, and then the current will skyrocket and that can blow up the MOSFET. You can see this happen with the GTX570’s VRM, there they use those small low current inductors from laptops, and then when users go to overclock they blow a MOSFET. Also inductors get hot because of power loss, just something to remember, just because they are hot doesn’t mean they will blow.




Aint for the rest well Just played some game ( the sensor is at worst 1c wrong with the back of my 2 7950 gpu temp diode




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Ah, water cooler and no rear fan installed. This explains much. Water coolers are great for the CPU. Bad for everything else around.
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You expect the temperature of the heatsink to be the same as the temperature of the low-side mosfet?
With low power dissipation it is probably quite close, but certainly not when the CPU is under full load.
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You expect the temperature of the heatsink to be the same as the temperature of the low-side mosfet?
With low power dissipation it is probably quite close, but certainly not when the CPU is under full load.

I think he was trying to show the temperature of his capacitors, given the discussion? Although, to me, the center area his is pointing at, seems to be che chokes. But, i have different IR thermometer, doesn't aim like that, so i can't be sure how his works.
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I think he was trying to show the temperature of his capacitors, given the discussion? Although, to me, the center area his is pointing at, seems to be che chokes. But, i have different IR thermometer, doesn't aim like that, so i can't be sure how his works.


It a dual laser it made to be used from longer distance etc

top and bottom laser says that the middle is at = 70c at worst if i come closer it will be higher it always higher


I can confirm the gun is pointed at the capacitor the choke are like cooler by 2c and the vrm heatsink is at 65 vrm at 72c via sensor

Cant really look the back of mobo because i dont want to wake my girlfriend using a flashlight uh


The back of the mobo is pretty uniform though i point at every soldering pin for each part temp and they are all pretty close.


A fan will probably drop temp like mad. i ordered 3 40mm + 1 san ace . i just dont expect miracle at 1$ the fan... The san ace seem of quality for 7$ But maybe a fake one



I think vrm part have no number of hour like capacitor. They are rated like 60 amp at 50c but they can do more with higher leakage less efficiency and probably vdroppp But still be reliable if not heated and cooled too often.


Trying to understand all those part is pretty hard since i have no electronic training. All learned by myself and google. smile.gif








Btw seeing Sin Chart of how a vrm is made. Is the vrm send power to the capacitor and after it go to the cpu ??

That would probably explain my 2 VCORE READING

1 vrm output. (Lower voltage

1 from capacitor stabilising power. ( higher voltage
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Ah, water cooler and no rear fan installed. This explains much. Water coolers are great for the CPU. Bad for everything else around.

I recommend the usual, fans on VRMs and rear of socket.

The Giga cooler on the VRMs also benefits from remounting as it's quite loose.

My experience with Giga board sensors also is quite poor.

No pictures this time Gertie......
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Trying to understand all those part is pretty hard since i have no electronic training. All learned by myself and google. smile.gif

Don't worry, i 've no electronic trainning either. I just liked physics at school. tongue.gif

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Btw seeing Sin Chart of how a vrm is made. Is the vrm send power to the capacitor and after it go to the cpu ??

The capacitors in the diagram above, are on the output, the last stage before the power arrives to the CPU. Those capacitors, mainly serve as power conditioners (filters), to prevent spikes and ripple. Basically, the problem is this. The PSU transforms AC to DC and uses the 12V rail to give power to the motherboard. The CPU though would be fried at 12V, so another circuit must bring down the current to lower values. The motherboard has the PWM chip that "controls" the mosfets, so everything is fine and dandy. Almost... The problem with the CPU, is that it doesn't require always steady power (think of Cool N Quiet, load etc) and the nature of the phase switching, makes it so that the CPU requires rapid power adjustments in the order of msec. That's too fast without something to smooth out the power. This "something", are the capacitors.

The capacitors, have 2 benefits: 1) they retain charge , 2) they can give displacement current every time there is a voltage variation applied to their two extremities (the 2 "legs" that each capacitor has). So, they can both smooth out incoming power and also give power steadily outgoing, because they hold charge themselves, so that the CPU doesn't get power interruptions during the milliseconds that phase switches occur. Of course, being small, they can't give power forever, they simply do so for a tiny amount of time, before the incoming power gets adjusted once more. It's why if you shut down your PC and then your PSU's power switch, and you press the power button in your case, your fans will likely spin for 1 second, even though the PSU is shut down. It's the remaining charge in the capacitors that make the fans spin without AC current from the wall coming to the PSU.

At least this is my mundane understanding of the situation, as an amateur.
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I recommend the usual, fans on VRMs and rear of socket.

The Giga cooler on the VRMs also benefits from remounting as it's quite loose.

My experience with Giga board sensors also is quite poor.

No pictures this time Gertie......


Will probably try to remount it. But will see with fan how it go the mobo is going back in it box after that for at least 6-12 month + hairysmiley.png
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Don't worry, i 've no electronic trainning either. I just liked physics at school. tongue.gif
The capacitors in the diagram above, are on the output, the last stage before the power arrives to the CPU. Those capacitors, mainly serve as power conditioners (filters), to prevent spikes and ripple. Basically, the problem is this. The PSU transforms AC to DC and uses the 12V rail to give power to the motherboard. The CPU though would be fried at 12V, so another circuit must bring down the current to lower values. The motherboard has the PWM chip that "controls" the mosfets, so everything is fine and dandy. Almost... The problem with the CPU, is that it doesn't require always steady power (think of Cool N Quiet, load etc) and the nature of the phase switching, makes it so that the CPU requires rapid power adjustments in the order of msec. That's too fast without something to smooth out the power. This "something", are the capacitors.

The capacitors, have 2 benefits: 1) they retain charge , 2) they can give displacement current every time there is a voltage variation applied to their two extremities (the 2 "legs" that each capacitor has). So, they can both smooth out incoming power and also give power steadily outgoing, because they hold charge themselves, so that the CPU doesn't get power interruptions during the milliseconds that phase switches occur. Of course, being small, they can't give power forever, they simply do so for a tiny amount of time, before the incoming power gets adjusted once more. It's why if you shut down your PC and then your PSU's power switch, and you press the power button in your case, your fans will likely spin for 1 second, even though the PSU is shut down. It's the remaining charge in the capacitors that make the fans spin without AC current from the wall coming to the PSU.

At least this is my mundane understanding of the situation, as an amateur.

Yea that how i understand it too.

It just strange that i have 2 reading.

One from the output of the vrm

And one for the vcore.

I have no idea what is the good one.

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Will probably try to remount it. But will see with fan how it go the mobo is going back in it box after that for at least 6-12 month + hairysmiley.png
Yea that how i understand it too.

It just strange that i have 2 reading.

One from the output of the vrm

And one for the vcore.

I have no idea what is the good one.

smile.gif

I am sorry, i can't always follow. Your BIOS gives you 2 vcores? I 've never heard of that before... wth.gif What did Gigabyte do in that BIOS???
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