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FX-9590 before delid, Cpu socket temps where higher than core temps. After De-lid Cpu core temps are higher than socket temps.

Could be Asus AMI bios?

According to recent post of "the Stilt", the "socket temp" is an on die temp. So the BIOS can't affect it when delidding. With this in mind, by delidding, the surface of the die is cooled faster, due to the direct contact with the CPU cooler, instead of having the solder and the IHS interfering (hypothesis of course).
Edited by Undervolter - 10/24/15 at 11:55pm
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According to recent post of "the Stilt", the "socket temp" is an on die temp. So the BIOS can't affect it when delidding. With this in mind, by delidding, the surface of the die is cooled faster, due to the direct contact with the CPU cooler, instead of having the solder and the IHS interfering (hypothesis of course).

Yes I read his posts. very informative, but cpu and bios must work together. Just because a cpu has a max setting before shut down or throttling, does not mean the bios was written for a different temperature. I've noticed with my Asus boards across platforms with a stock auto all setup, Cpu socket temp at 65c will throttle.

However being my chip is de-lidded and I have noticed big changes, I cannot replicate running a Cpu socket temp higher than the cores.

One reason maybe that removing the copper and where it is glued down to the processor PCB may eliminate any heat transfer from that IHS plate back down to the Cpu PCB. Thus the processor PCB is going to report a lower temp as a result. Since my first Phenom processor, I've noticed a considerable drop in Cpu socket temps every single time I remove the soldered IHS plates and can only think the PCB would absorb heat from that IHS plate and even through the glue.

The IHS plate is a heat collector. The more copper the more heat you can store before dissipation. And THIS brings you back to Stilt's post about copper in the PCB of the motherboard transferring heat between Cpu and VRMs. Or VRMs to Cpu. Even the processor pins accumulate heat and is dissipated in through the socket, so having a fan on the back of the motherboard helps dissipate that transferred heat.

A motherboards bios however can be written to throttle a processor and VRM output voltage at different temperatures as well as CPU temperature output. AMD only recommends a temperature to the motherboard manufacturer, the bios writer ultimately decides at exactly what temperature this should occur. In most Asus motherboards and AMD processors, I've taken notice that 65c was a throttle temperature at the Cpu socket temp and the core temp never makes a throttle but will occur a thermal shut down.

Since my processor is de-lidded, I have an easier time getting my board to shut off via core temps, usually between 85 and 90c while I have seen 82.5c with a running benchmark and 5200mhz pushing up 1.6000v and beyond meanwhile my Cpu socket temp would remain in the late 40c range seldom reaching in the low 50c range and this also does rely on ambient temps which play a very important role in cooling.
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hello guys, i just got fx 6300 used on ebay yesterday & i haven't decided am3+
please help me choose a good am3+ motherboard for my fx 6300...on my listed am3+ motherboard is :
- gigabyte ga-990fxa ud3 R5
- msi 970-gaming
- asus M5A97 R2.0

- if i'm only using single gpu does am3+ 970 will limit the overclocking fx6300??
- is that possible am3+ 970 able to reach overclocking 5.0ghz - 5.5ghz (custom water cooling)??
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Several, if not all ASUS boards alter the throttling limits from default. By default each and every FX CPU should throttle when the tCTL hits 70. By default throttling is only tripped based on tCTL. Some LPC/IO EC support linking one of the TMPIN:s to the PROCHOT signal, which causes the CPU to throttle when pulled low.

ASUS changes the tCTL limit from the default 70 to 90, in order to allow higher overclocking margin.
ASRock for example have the limit adjustable in the bios, however 70 is the default value for each and every FX CPU.

tCaseMax depends on the default TDP (infrastructure class) and only applies at stock.
On consumer FX series it is never higher than 70.5°C
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4.9GHz it is. 5GHz passes IBT but crashed/froze while opening steam.

While playing Witcher 3 I'm getting ~40C Core, ~44C Socket. For my 290Xs I'm getting ~45C and then ~45C/38C on VRM1/2. Temps are pretty much the same whether my can controller is maxed or minimum. Loving my decision on custom water.
it's odd it passed IBT @5 and crashed in steam. Sure it wasn't just a random lock up or was it repeatable?
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Yes I read his posts. very informative, but cpu and bios must work together. Just because a cpu has a max setting before shut down or throttling, does not mean the bios was written for a different temperature. I've noticed with my Asus boards across platforms with a stock auto all setup, Cpu socket temp at 65c will throttle.

However being my chip is de-lidded and I have noticed big changes, I cannot replicate running a Cpu socket temp higher than the cores.

One reason maybe that removing the copper and where it is glued down to the processor PCB may eliminate any heat transfer from that IHS plate back down to the Cpu PCB. Thus the processor PCB is going to report a lower temp as a result. Since my first Phenom processor, I've noticed a considerable drop in Cpu socket temps every single time I remove the soldered IHS plates and can only think the PCB would absorb heat from that IHS plate and even through the glue.

The IHS plate is a heat collector. The more copper the more heat you can store before dissipation. And THIS brings you back to Stilt's post about copper in the PCB of the motherboard transferring heat between Cpu and VRMs. Or VRMs to Cpu. Even the processor pins accumulate heat and is dissipated in through the socket, so having a fan on the back of the motherboard helps dissipate that transferred heat.

A motherboards bios however can be written to throttle a processor and VRM output voltage at different temperatures as well as CPU temperature output. AMD only recommends a temperature to the motherboard manufacturer, the bios writer ultimately decides at exactly what temperature this should occur. In most Asus motherboards and AMD processors, I've taken notice that 65c was a throttle temperature at the Cpu socket temp and the core temp never makes a throttle but will occur a thermal shut down.

Since my processor is de-lidded, I have an easier time getting my board to shut off via core temps, usually between 85 and 90c while I have seen 82.5c with a running benchmark and 5200mhz pushing up 1.6000v and beyond meanwhile my Cpu socket temp would remain in the late 40c range seldom reaching in the low 50c range and this also does rely on ambient temps which play a very important role in cooling.

Well, you know your delidding and overclocking better than i do, that's for sure!
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Deliding soldered cpu?

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it's odd it passed IBT @5 and crashed in steam. Sure it wasn't just a random lock up or was it repeatable?

I know right? I haven't tested to see if it was repeatable, but IMO any lockup is bad news for me even though all I do is game and watch videos on the FX computer. I might go back and see if it locks up with Steam or any program but for now I need to test my 290X OC stability (IMO testing GPU OCs is more timely than CPU from my experiences). For example before going custom water, I ran 5GHz for a while with voltage settings that passed IBT Max 50 Runs. Worked perfectly fine but it would crash occasionally with DA:I. I dropped clocks to 4.8GHz and never had a crash again. Wondering if 5GHz is just not stable for my chip (which I'm okay with)
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4.9 is nothing to scoff at. Nice result.

Haha thanks. I've done a little GPU OCing so far and I believe my cards are average or below average. Stock voltage with +50% Power Limit gets me 1080MHz. With +100mV I can get 1170MHz Firestrike stable. Haven't tested for stability in anything else. I'll be getting some Intel CPU experience soon too. I scored another 2GHz 8-Core Sandy Bridge ES for cheap. Cant wait for a 16 Core/32 Thread Cinebench Run.
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I had a fan die on an overclocked 6600GT, the card got so hot it melted the mounts and the fan fell off of the card tongue.gif

What?! They can melt the mounts? The accelero has plastic "spacers", which i suppose is the same thing as the "mounts"? Don't put ideas in my mind! ph34r2.gif

In the case of my MSI 6600GT it did.
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1733
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In the case of my MSI 6600GT it did.
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1733

If this happens to me, i will never, ever buy GPU with fan again. Already i had promiced myself this, but i couldn't find a GPU sold with passive heatsink that would play Skyrim considerably better than 6570. So i had to buy one with fan. The bad thing, is that Sapphire had metal spacers. Arctic has some transparent plastic spacers that aren't even hard really, you can squeeze them with your fingers. I hope i don't get melt down... I thought of buying Arctic accelero S3, but for 120W TDP (260X) it has asterisk, that it can be used passively only in well ventilated case. It's also huge and if the alignment isn't perfect, it will be much higher than the card itself. It will be like frankenstein GPU. If i get a meltdown, i will probably just buy a passive R7 250 that i 've seen and just live with it.

These are the spacers i used:



^ It also has a second set of spacers, black, but i didn't know the difference, so i put the white ones. Here it seems that they might have different size, but looked the same to me...

http://www.overclockers.com/arctic-accelero-l2-plus-gpu-cooler-review/

Also in the photo, that yellow rectangular thing, is a sticker with about 5 "insulating strips", that i was supposed to put somewhere on the PCB, to prevent short circuit but the manual was like chinese for me about it. I ended up putting 2 in between the heatsinks i added. The reviewer in overclockers.com isn't of any help, since he didn't put any of them... The good thing is that i didn't burn anything yet. Let's hope it stays that way.
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