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May i ask why?

For it's Intel-like tactics and because i prefer to support AMD.
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@undervolter...

There seems to be a great shortage of passive cards for light gaming...knowing the prices in Italia ...!!!!!

Found this local to me

http://www.cclonline.com/product/166862/GT740-DCSL-2GD3/Graphics-Cards/Asus-GT740-DCSL-2GD3-Graphics-Card-GeForce-GT740-2GB-PCI-Express-3-0-VGA-DVI-HDMI/VGA2732/

Any good for your needs, I know it's not AMD/ATI but you never know....

See

http://www.cclonline.com/category/430/PC-Components/Graphics-Cards/attributeslist/1075002/
Edited by Mike The Owl - 10/26/15 at 6:13am
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@undervolter...

There seems to be a great shortage of passive cards for light gaming...knowing the prices in Italia ...!!!!!

Found this local to me

http://www.cclonline.com/product/166862/GT740-DCSL-2GD3/Graphics-Cards/Asus-GT740-DCSL-2GD3-Graphics-Card-GeForce-GT740-2GB-PCI-Express-3-0-VGA-DVI-HDMI/VGA2732/

Any good for your needs, I know it's not AMD/ATI but you never know....

See

http://www.cclonline.com/category/430/PC-Components/Graphics-Cards/attributeslist/1075002/

Thanks, the GT 740 seems to be about the same horsepower as R7 250, which is the best passive AMD card i can find here. So yes, it's an option in general, but i think it will have trouble to run modded skyrim at ultra on 1080p. Which is exactly why i didn't buy the passive R7 250 and instead i went R7 260X with fan...

The rest of the offerings, the various 210, etc, are too weak. I have several spare HD5450 and HD6450 and i have 2 passive HD6570. So anything below GT 740 isn't worth it, because i alrady have its AMD equivalent. My HD6570 actually overclock successfully to HD 6670 levels.

The passive GT 740 looks good from a TDP point of view, if i decide to change one of my rigs that currently have HD6570. But i don't see it happening, as i don't play on those rigs.

Thanks though. The italian shops are filled with passive HD5450, HD6450, R7 240, GT 210 and similar. Basically, HTPC/office solutions. You can't even find the HD6570 passive anymore. The top passive card is R7 250 and only 1 shop sells it. Nvidia manufacturers don't seem to care about anything better than the GT 240 as passive solution either... So yeah, it's pretty grim. This is why i ended up with GPU with fan. I had no other choice, upgrading from HD6570 (OCed to 6670). It could run Skyrim, but at medium the enemies would see me before i could see them. And you feel a bit dumb when you are a sneaking character. So i had to upgrade...

The market here is particular, because most adults aren't gamers and don't upgrade single parts too often either. So you have strange things happening. Look at the results for HD6450:

http://www.trovaprezzi.it/prezzo_schede-grafiche_hd_6450.aspx

From 37 euros min to 82 euros max for a HD6450!!! When at launch time, they costed less! Because, many adults, want these low TDP, passive GPUs for cheap. So shop owners take advantage and raise the price.

I bought the HD6570s when they were "new" at about 60 euros each. And now you can't find them anywhere and instead they 're still selling HD6450 for 50 euros... Incredible... Because the HD6570 is running circles around the 6450.
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For it's Intel-like tactics and because i prefer to support AMD.

They are all the same basically, if they can they will screw you, as simple as that. It doesn't matter if its AMD or Nvidia. AMD did some stupid stuff as well like the 290 and 290X reference cards as an example.. they are too loud and the performance isn't as good as they claimed. Same story about the 9590 and 9370 CPU's, they are basically binned 8350 CPU's but sell them for a lot more. As a matter a fact, at first the 9590 was 1000 euro's which is ridiculous and no one ever bought it, later they discovered that it was overpriced indeed and lowered the price..

I do like AMD and i am certainly not want to start a flame war or anything but it all comes down to that it doesn't mater what you buy, they all screw us at some point. Its all a matter of preference i guess.
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They are all the same basically, if they can they will screw you, as simple as that. It doesn't matter if its AMD or Nvidia. AMD did some stupid stuff as well like the 290 and 290X reference cards as an example.. they are too loud and the performance isn't as good as they claimed. Same story about the 9590 and 9370 CPU's, they are basically binned 8350 CPU's but sell them for a lot more. As a matter a fact, at first the 9590 was 1000 euro's which is ridiculous and no one ever bought it, later they discovered that it was overpriced indeed and lowered the price..

I do like AMD and i am certainly not want to start a flame war or anything but it all comes down to that it doesn't mater what you buy, they all screw us at some point. Its all a matter of preference i guess.

Yes, i am not naive to think companies have a heart or something, but AMD is the small guy that is also the only guy that keeps the competition going and frankly has never sabotaged its own drivers for example.

And there is nothing to gain other than TDP. For example the passive GT 740 , by googling appears to be the same as R7 250 (which is the best AMD i can find passive):

http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu/NVIDIA+GeForce+GT+740/review

At half the TDP of a 260X and 10W less than R7 250, which i do appreciate a lot, but the way i have set up the computer, i can withstand the 120W of the R7 260X, without increasing case noise. If i had a small case, i 'd probably have to go to Nvidia just to keep it cooler. But since i use mid tower cases, 120 vs 64W won't make me big difference.

Basically, the R7 260X is IDEAL for modded Skyrim (55-60 fps anywhere on ultra with FXAA process injector and x16AF) and it's a worthy upgrade to 6570, BUT, there isn't anything passive in its class.
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When it comes to fanless GPU's isn't the Gainward Phantom a viable option? I think it's a GTX760.

This thing has 2 fans!

https://www.eprezzo.com/scheda-grafica/25387-gainward-geforce-gtx-760-phantom-2-gb-gddr5-pci-express-x16-scheda-grafica-4260183362999.html?utm_source=trovaprezzi&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=prodotto

Plus:
1) Too high TDP (170W) = i will have to increase case fans RPM (more noise), my PSU will become marginal and i will have to change it.
2) Overkill for my needs. I am not going to pay for something i don't need more than i paid for my CPU itself. I already just gave 125 euros for R7 260X + Arctic accelero and another 20 euros for a 2nd accelero coming this week. I am not going to pay another 176 euros for an overkill GPU with TWO fans, plus new PSU (my PSU is actually already new) + more noise (i have already to pass through hoops to find case without front mesh, without top fans and with a side fan, to reduce noise to a minimum. Starting cranking up all case fans, because now i will have a 170W GPU next to a 125W CPU is crazy).
3) I really don't like Nvidia, but i could overlook that if it was a good option.
Oh shoot. I never realised the fans were in a pull setting underneath the heatsink! I just know my friend has one and I thought a fanless 760 was pretty neat. Turns out I got duped lachen.gif
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Undervolter why don't you build an APU based system and then use something like an R7-250 in hybrid crossfire with the APU?
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Undervolter why don't you build an APU based system and then use something like an R7-250 in hybrid crossfire with the APU?

I find it pointless to make another rig just to play Skyrim (or DAI), when i have the FX 8 core basically sitting doing nothing. Plus, i have currently 5 rigs divided in 2 houses and i am already thinking they 're too many and maybe will make them 4. There is no point to make a 6th rig just for 1-2 games. Because Skyrim and DAI are the only games that would greatly benefit from the APU. I 've played the rest with HD6570 and had no problem.
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Oh don't worry, my favourite RPG that i still play is Wizardry 8 (2001) and the only flight simulator i play is F22 Total Air War (1999) in the form of v2.0 (comunity developed). I still play the original Sid Meier's Pirates in Amstrad Emulator. I don't like new games much. RPGs and some strategic are the only ones that still catch my eye. In Skyrim i love archery and sneaking. I installed a mod to show archery killmove camera in every shot. I can't get enough of it. biggrin.gif The game is silly in handling the damage, compared to old RPGs, but i like the sneaking-poison arrow combo.

Arctic has a bigger passive cooler, the S3. But even the S3, for 260X, has asterisk, to use without fan only in "well ventilated case". Which means it will be quasi-cooking without fan. So i gain nothing over the Accelero L2 Plus, which is very quiet. Otherwise, you must use the "turbo module", which is essentially a fan. Moar airflow also means moar noise and i hate noise. tongue.gif
Thanks, but if i understand, he zip ties 120mm fans, while having removed the heatsink? So on bare die? It's too adventurous for me. It sounds good for an emergency, but at this point, no advantage over accelero L2. Now, if i could avoid a fan altogether, then i 'd see a use for this.
The 6850 is no longer on sale anywhere:

http://www.trovaprezzi.it/categoria.aspx?libera=hd+6850

The 7850 is only on sale from Club3D (yikes) and has a fan and another dual fan from Sapphire:

http://www.trovaprezzi.it/prezzo_schede-grafiche_hd_7850.aspx

Shops here don't keep for long cards of previous generations, unless they are...passive HD5450, which seem eternal. But thanks for the suggestions.
It's simple. I have 6 games post 2007. Or maybe 7, i have Silent Hunter III, but i don't remember when it came out. I mainly play pre-2007 games. So i am not what you 'd call a gamer. The computers i mainly want them to do video encoding. APUs suck in video encoding, FX are great. So why go FM2, instead of AM3? Just to play 7 games? It's not like i play them for hours and hours every day either. I 've installed Skyrim In April or May i think? In the main story, i haven't done "Diplomatic Immunity" quest yet, ever. Too much mod digging and learning. First time ever i used FXAA (i had to read on that, because i didn't know what it was). I haven't played anything from "Dawnguard" DLC yet. I 've done "Dragonborn" once. I also bought Oblivion and i haven't played it yet. With my usual pace, 4 years from now i will just begin to feel bored with Skyrim and Oblivion and by that time i will be glad to return to DAO and Shogun II. New games are either overcomplicated or oversimplified for me. For Skyrim i had to read and restart a gazillion times. Too many things i didn't know about modding, stability, etc. I can't do that for every game. And I liked Total War Shogun I more than Shogun II. The other Total war series, i don't like, because they have too many different units for me to care to learn their characteristics. So i am difficult to satisfy.

I will have to stick with the accelero L2 Plus... Which, aside the fact of the insulating strips that i put by chance on the PCB, otherwise is good. I just would have preferred if i didn't have to worry about fan failing.

Hahaa my first PC was an Amstrad with a no hard drive just floppy,GEM desktop and green screen coupled with a Brother dot matrix printer, good times, man good times. First virus I got was the stoned virus.
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Hahaa my first PC was an Amstrad with a no hard drive just floppy,GEM desktop and green screen coupled with a Brother dot matrix printer, good times, man good times. First virus I got was the stoned virus.

I got the CPC 6128 (with floppy drive), but at the dusk of its career (around 1990). Basically, they stopped production about the same year. But i got tons of games for that, great fun. And now i 've found most of them (and more i didn't know) in PC emulator and i play them from time to time. Bad graphics, good gameplay. biggrin.gif I had the colour screen. biggrin.gif
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