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For Minecraft and videos, an i3-6320 + H170 mobo would probably be cost-effective.

i3...... but again, only if it's a video/kraft box....

The integrated video on the latest i3's may even handle Minekraft pretty well.....
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For Minecraft and videos, an i3-6320 + H170 mobo would probably be cost-effective.

it isnt for minecraft, its for a gaming pc a friend wants to build

n im not sure about intel since ive been with amd for years
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i3...... but again, only if it's a video/kraft box....

The integrated video on the latest i3's may even handle Minekraft pretty well.....

Of course I'd love to recommend an i7-6700K + Z170 mobo + GTX 980ti for everybody, my conscientious streak compels me to factor in the target audience and likely budget range.
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it isnt for minecraft, its for a gaming pc a friend wants to build

n im not sure about intel since ive been with amd for years

For a general-purpose Intel-based gaming box, the Core i5-6600K + Z170 chipset motherboard + 8GB of DDR4-2666 would be my weapon of choice.
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I mean, I personally get told all the time that skylake + 980ti is a true high-end gaming machine, and I'm somewhere on the outside looking in with my current setup, but I feel like the performance I am getting from my 9590 + R9 Fury is right up there with anything else from a gaming standpoint. I have posted my numbers in the Fury thread.....

I am doing damn near what any ol' 980ti will do on an i7 setup, in games like BF4/C3/FC4/etc......

I haven't dumped cash on the Witcher 3 and GTA V yet (still stalling, lol) but those will be next.....

This box is just churning through all of my games and content, and doing it at 4k mind you.....
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yes we are spoiled here in north America...we often take for granted and complain about delays when in reality it's lightning fast compared to customs and other countries courier and services...the one positive is the warranty thing though

Well, some here are quick, but usually have awful prices. There is no "perfect" solution. One good about keeping spares, is that 99% of the time, you don't have haste. So, it's not like i need a CPU tomorrow. For me, the best e-shop in the country and probably the most popular amongst "techies", is this one:

http://www.e-key.it/

They don't have the best prices, but quite good, they don't make you troubles with RMA, but good luck expecting email from their support. They have 1 phone line you must call. Don't be fooled by the "24h delivery". That's "only for notebooks and ultrabooks" (because people are more likely to order them than single parts). In their terms and conditions, the delivery times are vague. They say "the delivery times reflect the availability, mailing mode, weight and courier". Usually, they do anything between 3-10 days. In this case, they didn't even have an 8320E, let alone the more "exotic" 8300 (currently only 4 shops have 8300 here with 20 euro difference between min and max price). So i couldn't order from them...

http://www.e-key.it/cat-8-core-2081.htm

They also not only sell preassembled and tested rigs, but also take on demand builds, with components you want and test it before they send it to you. "Custom preassembled", if you will. Waiting time? Officially stated 7-10 working days. (Tempi di attesa assemblaggio e test: da 7 a 10gg lavorativi.). To this, add the courier time (1 day usually, unless you live in islands).

http://www.e-key.it/computer_assemblati.aspx

This is a small shop (in Rome), from which i used to shop sometimes, exactly because they send you in 24h. But they rarely have anything. The numbers in green are the number of available pieces. They practically have 5 CPUs at stock. That's all folks! And they have "Phenom FX". biggrin.gif And they sell the 8370E at 32 euros more than the other shop above. 15 euros more for the FX6300. This is pretty much for anything. If you buy several stuff from them, you can end up with 100 euros more for the same stuff (assuming they have it on stock). But yeah, they 're lighting quick, because you are their only customer in one day. biggrin.gif



Anyway, i 've stopped shopping from them, after they sent me a wrong GPU (which was DOA too) and after they forgot to send me an item which i had paid for (they sent it with second package after i informed them, but...). I guess, when they think the FX is Phenom, it's no wonder if they don't know what GPU model they 're selling. biggrin.gif

Yeah, the 2 year warranty from retailer came after long battles from consumer unions from several EU countries.

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The joys of our ancestors fighting for less regulation and taxes- quicker service and lower prices. Let's hope we can keep it like that

You can say that again!
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I too work in a field where my ocd is actually beneficial. Nearly everyday I make operational changes that if were done incorrectly would render up to $3,200,000 of product completely worthless. During other
times of the year I work with material that has 6 years of work behind it that could be lost with a moments carelessness. Some of which is. Impossible to recover. Double and triple checking has saved the company 10s of millions in saleable product. Ive caught 3 mistakes others have made, they are eternally greatful for my ocd btw. Lol

Exactly. It's a curse, but in some professions, it's a bliss too. I am a doctor. The obsessive trait, i developed during studies, exactly because of the insane level of detail they were requiring from us and because i was perfectionist by character and was never satisfied from myself if i didn't remember "everything". Which is impossible to do, but i was always trying. This leads you exactly to developing obsessive trait. It's the most common trait in exactly "perfectionists". On the other hand, i 've had a professor of abdominal surgery, saying, after a phone call in front of us, from a nurse telling him that a clamp was missing: "lads, this is why i always say that after surgery, always do an X-Ray to the patient, because you never know what you forgot inside the abdomen". At that time, i had a laugh. He told me, "dear boy, there is nothing to laugh at, these things happen". Well, it's true. And they happen to those who exactly don't "double check" and they are distracted by character. I 've had medic students flat mates, that were forgetting the door open, the keys on the door, the gas flame on the kitchen on. These are those with increased chances to forget the surgical instruments in the abdomen.

For this, is why there are "standardized procedures" to minimize the character defects. For instance, by standard procedure, when you take a bioptical sample or a simple blood sample, the first thing to do is label the container and write the patient's name. Because, many people, by character, will otherwise say "Ok, i will do it later" and they will forget or mix the tests. This is called "procedural bias". There is also "analytical bias" later on. Human errors will always happen, but some are more prone to do them than others. Obsessive traits are less error prone. It's the classical "Sherlock Holmes" type. Sherlock Holmes was exactly written by Conan Doyle, a doctor himself, inspired by another doctor who apparently was above average in semiotics, arriving to diagnosis from minimal signs of the patient.

The "distracted" or "looser" characters on the other hand, are better for relaxing the patient (telling jokes, dealing with children, etc). But, one must thank the guys that invented procedure standardization and protocols, because otherwise, half the doctors in hospitals would be quite dangerous. A bit like it was in the 19th century and before... On the other hand, perfectionists suffer if dealing with children, because they can't make them give accurate information durng the anamnesis (you have to rely on parents, but the parents aren't the patient) or not any information at all (baby crying hysterically).

There are times where it just too important not be the way we are.
About half of my in-laws and several of my own family are in the medical field - ( I'm the dummy of the bunch wink.gif ) Tremendous amount of respect for what they, (and you ) do thumb.gif
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There are times where it just too important not be the way we are.
About half of my in-laws and several of my own family are in the medical field - ( I'm the dummy of the bunch wink.gif ) Tremendous amount of respect for what they, (and you ) do thumb.gif

At the end, it's all about trainning and learning to think in a certain way, just like in any other jobs. There are many forms of intelligence, doctors aren't super-intelligent and you aren't any less intelligent than them. The rest is merit of american TV shows that have idealized the working ethic of doctors. Reality is not exactly as romantic as on tv... I 've seen doctors that if i were a patient, i would be scared. Motives vary too, some nobler than others. Any person with logic and deductive thinking, can become a good doctor. It's also why i like computers. Computers are logical. So if you know how they work, you will find what's wrong with them. This is why in the forum i usually post to help people. It's like a mental break from fixing humans. The underlying principle is the same. If you know how humans work in physiological conditions, then you can understand the pathology. This abilitates you to fix them. Just like computers. Nothing too intelligent. I always say that most computer techies would make good doctors, because they are accustomed to logical thinking.
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^ regrets on the Rome shop though. I too believe I am here to serve. That first step is always the biggest.
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^ regrets on the Rome shop though. I too believe I am here to serve. That first step is always the biggest.

Well, i am sorry, but their prices are totally uncompetitive. Their only "plus" side is that they send in 24h. Such small shops usually live like this: Either by "desperate" customers that want an ultrafast delivery or by "desperate" customers that live nearby (literally) and they are ready to buy whatever their "corner shop" has at whatever price. I am not that desperate fortunately and i don't really know the shop owners in person to have grown a guilt feeling... I 've only emailed them once. Yes, they seemed kind, but not kind enough to give them like 100 euros more.
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Of course I'd love to recommend an i7-6700K + Z170 mobo + GTX 980ti for everybody, my conscientious streak compels me to factor in the target audience and likely budget range.
For a general-purpose Intel-based gaming box, the Core i5-6600K + Z170 chipset motherboard + 8GB of DDR4-2666 would be my weapon of choice.

I am not looking into going back to 990FX after I lost my kitty but, I too, is sure I won't do a skylake build. Even with their potential.

I'll wait for AMD's next platform.


BTW, when saying "general-purpose build" I don't consider a K CPU. thumb.gif
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