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afaik the turbo feature sets an automatic vcore of 1.4v (on your screenshot shows 1.425)I believe which is probably higher than the voltage you need for 4.0 and likely higher than you need for 4.2... the turbo feature sets the voltage high so even on the worst of chips it will run with the voltage provided under all circumstances...the most likely culprit is poor airflow in the case and a hot running gpu that's dumping that extra heat in the case and the poor airflow doesn't evacuate the heat properly heating everything up... when you air cool with an fx chip (really any chip but yeah) you have to have good case airflow.. the best air cooler around wont see as great a benefit if you dont have proper case airflow so it gets solid airflow through it...and doesnt have areas where the hot air just circulates and builds up

Is it possible that overvoltage is causing massive heat increase? As far as I am concerned about the rest of PC, I did because of it get Fractal Design R5, added extra fan to blow directly onto to graphic card, which also adds up to good air pressure as 2 blow in and 1 out, also theres no cables almost at all inside as I managed that properly too, as for the graphic card I could bump vents to cool it more harder as it is Vapor-X and has the power to cool it off, but seriously, could overvoltage cause the heat increase? I could turn off the turbo and manually set in BIOS to 4.2Ghz with 1.4v just to check?
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one pass on memtest doesnt test even 25 percent of the possible spaces on each stick of memory this is why people say to at least run 4 passes.. i run it overnight for at least 12 hours when i purchase a new kit.. with only that kit installed.. this lets you know if you have a bad dimm... this does happen sometimes one stick will be bad out of a set...also just because you bought the same kit doesnt necessarily mean they will work well together.. even same make and model... a bit later can be quite different in characteristics.. so..first thing.. how much higher did you go than the stock voltage on the dram...overclocking the northbridge shouldnt be necessary for 1866... cpu nb voltage might need a bump but lets not get ahead of ourselves..first i would manually set the timings... JUST THE FIRST 4 to what they are rated.. then set the voltage to around 1.55 to start and see how it fares.. also post a bios picture of your dram settings (timings, voltage, etc) and your cpu/nb cpu voltage settings just so the memory guru guys here can advise you further... stock kits sometimes need a slight voltage increase on memory to run even at their stock rated speeds.. especially when you are using 4 sticks on amd IMC...also state your motherboard this will determine who here has more experience with your particular board smile.gif

Well to start, one of the kit was already tested long ago. For the sake of it. I'm not that concern about failing memory as stability is not that important here. I've continued my testing and discovered a funny thing on the internet.
The IME on vishera is said not to support 1866MHz when more than 2 sticks are included - that explain why everything works well, even when mixing the kits (Dual channel and rank interleaving still works) as long as there's only two kits. if I manually set the RAM to run at it's rated frequency and rating it refuse to POST with 4 dimms. so this is kinda PITA.

I've found a weird solutio, but I'm kinda concerned about durability and component lifespan :
1)OC BLCK to 230.
2)Lower Core multiplier ( to keep same frequency) -14.5
3) keep the same multiplier for RAM ( 8 instead of the 9.33 needed for 1866Mhz)

That gives me 1838MHz memory.

For the rest- I kindof already stated the mobo in the previous post : 990FX-UD3 Rev4.0. ( with BIOS updated to F3)

So if anyone has a better solution, just say, I'll give it a try.
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Here's how here we will never have Newegg and have to wait 7 work days to receive an order. Image edited for privacy reasons. The OP is member of the biggest local PC enthusiast forum since 2003 with 8000+ posts:



Translation: "P4 at 2.4Ghz: It seems slower. Hi to all boys. I am writing to you about my rig in the signature with WinXP. I find that after the last formatting i did, i can't do 2 things at the same time anymore. I explain myself. Before, i was able to listen to a youtube song and continue my web surfing at the same time. On the contrary, now i must do either one thing or the other. The youtube video is heard and seen with stuttering, it gets interrupted even if the seek bar is proceeding, so i don't think it's a network issue. What can i do? Is it some setting in XP? "

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That's why the e-shops here are scared to order large stocks... Because often, the PCs outlast their owners.lachen.gif
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Nope, AMD aren't in a good position but they aren't going to go under and the only reason things look really bad for AMD is simply because that's what most of the news posts are about wink.gif

Had a bit of fun with my 8350 and 9590 a while ago with GPUPI when i wasn't so busy and got some interesting results smile.gif

8350:


9590:


my 8350 needed 1.608v for 5.3Ghz but it's the 9590 that was a bit of a shocker...............I'm actually contemplating picking up a CPU pot for this chip now biggrin.gif

Very nice.

Looks like that 9590 has a lot in it headroom wise. Why stopping there?

Not stopping there, just stopping there for now smile.gif
 
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Well to start, one of the kit was already tested long ago. For the sake of it. I'm not that concern about failing memory as stability is not that important here. I've continued my testing and discovered a funny thing on the internet.
The IME on vishera is said not to support 1866MHz when more than 2 sticks are included - that explain why everything works well, even when mixing the kits (Dual channel and rank interleaving still works) as long as there's only two kits. if I manually set the RAM to run at it's rated frequency and rating it refuse to POST with 4 dimms. so this is kinda PITA.

I've found a weird solutio, but I'm kinda concerned about durability and component lifespan :
1)OC BLCK to 230.
2)Lower Core multiplier ( to keep same frequency) -14.5
3) keep the same multiplier for RAM ( 8 instead of the 9.33 needed for 1866Mhz)

That gives me 1838MHz memory.

For the rest- I kindof already stated the mobo in the previous post : 990FX-UD3 Rev4.0. ( with BIOS updated to F3)

So if anyone has a better solution, just say, I'll give it a try.
Ill give you an example then...when I upgraded my kit from 1866 g skill sniper to 2133 g skill ripjaws both cl9 kits the rated stock voltage want enough..they are rated at 1.6v yet I needed 1.65 to run them...when running both kits at the same time at 1866 (just to see if they would play well together) I needed 1.68 for them to boot and work well together...mind you the sniper kit is a 1.5 rated kit...ram kits can be finicky when putting two kits together...once again you never provided any information about the settings you used for the ram...whether it not ram kits work well has several factors...the imc of the processor, the kits themselves, the settings and voltages needed, and the motherboard itself as these all can vary this is why I asked for specific information on your setup and the settings you had set at the time
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Well to start, one of the kit was already tested long ago. For the sake of it. I'm not that concern about failing memory as stability is not that important here. I've continued my testing and discovered a funny thing on the internet.
The IME on vishera is said not to support 1866MHz when more than 2 sticks are included - that explain why everything works well, even when mixing the kits (Dual channel and rank interleaving still works) as long as there's only two kits. if I manually set the RAM to run at it's rated frequency and rating it refuse to POST with 4 dimms. so this is kinda PITA.

I've found a weird solutio, but I'm kinda concerned about durability and component lifespan :
1)OC BLCK to 230.
2)Lower Core multiplier ( to keep same frequency) -14.5
3) keep the same multiplier for RAM ( 8 instead of the 9.33 needed for 1866Mhz)

That gives me 1838MHz memory.

For the rest- I kindof already stated the mobo in the previous post : 990FX-UD3 Rev4.0. ( with BIOS updated to F3)

So if anyone has a better solution, just say, I'll give it a try.

The previous suggestions hold true. And stability recommendations are well within the core of this thread. If you don't need to be stable, don't seek help and do things on your own. tongue.gif

First off, your mobo. Post some bios screen shots of your settings.

2. Memory at 1866 on 2 dimms is the max recommended memory supported by Vishera. More than those is overclocking.

3. CPU-NB should be set to 2200 default while trying to boot at 1866 on 4 dimms and set your RAM Voltage to say, 1.65V.
Try to post.

4. An alternative way to get 1866 is like you have discovered, 233 FSB at X8 memory multi, X10 CPU-NB max at tge moment, X11 HT Link and keep the CPU Frequency within your target. Set CPU-NB voltage to 1.25 and try to post.

4. Memtest is a weak stability test as it doesn't consider OS variables. And is a long slow one. Try HCI Memtest. It's within Windows and faster.

Run 8 instances for 8 threads on equal RAM amount distribution. (16GB * 95% / 8)

5. Timings should be keep at XMP or DOCP profiles. Like 9-9-9-27-42-CR1. Let it pass 100% coverage for now and fine tune things to heart's desire.

6. You can also opt to OC the memory further by doing FSB. 229 or 267 for 2133 as an example or 250 for 2000. Timings is a child's play. Set, Post, Test, Verify stability. If one is missing, go change one thing at a time. And oh, AIDA 64 bandwidth test for the WIN.

7. Try to set a stable base line even if your heart is not into it. Why? Coz you need to verify if the changes you are making affects performance and give you better User experience. So I would suggest you take this little advise.

Once you mess with FSB OC, everything in your system will run out of spec and will be harder to tune. So always keep in mind that a Multi onle OC for the CPU is a good thing to set first before delving into FSB.

And why set a stable baseline? Simple. You should know where the System works as a failover in case you loss a grip of some variables. It is also good to know the chip's properties as a start. Voltages needed should be within grasp.

Brute force OC is not my cup of tea.
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Ill give you an example then...when I upgraded my kit from 1866 g skill sniper to 2133 g skill ripjaws both cl9 kits the rated stock voltage want enough..they are rated at 1.6v yet I needed 1.65 to run them...when running both kits at the same time at 1866 (just to see if they would play well together) I needed 1.68 for them to boot and work well together...mind you the sniper kit is a 1.5 rated kit...ram kits can be finicky when putting two kits together...once again you never provided any information about the settings you used for the ram...whether it not ram kits work well has several factors...the imc of the processor, the kits themselves, the settings and voltages needed, and the motherboard itself as these all can vary this is why I asked for specific information on your setup and the settings you had set at the time

Each 990FX motherboard is a little different. Default speed on this one with 4 sticks of 2400 speed ram is 2400. I have the system slowed down because it is still warm here and don't want to run the AC in November.
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Here's how here we will never have Newegg and have to wait 7 work days to receive an order. Image edited for privacy reasons. The OP is member of the biggest local PC enthusiast forum since 2003 with 8000+ posts:



Translation: "P4 at 2.4Ghz: It seems slower. Hi to all boys. I am writing to you about my rig in the signature with WinXP. I find that after the last formatting i did, i can't do 2 things at the same time anymore. I explain myself. Before, i was able to listen to a youtube song and continue my web surfing at the same time. On the contrary, now i must do either one thing or the other. The youtube video is heard and seen with stuttering, it gets interrupted even if the seek bar is proceeding, so i don't think it's a network issue. What can i do? Is it some setting in XP? "

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That's why the e-shops here are scared to order large stocks... Because often, the PCs outlast their owners.lachen.gif


OMG! I had a P1-166mhz in 1995. It couldn't handle Myst.
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OMG! I had a P1-166mhz in 1995. It couldn't handle Myst.

I had the Pentium 200MMX at about that time. With S3 Virge. biggrin.gif How different times they were... You were actually rolling dice everytime a new game was coming out. I still remember the great thrill of getting the "Voodoo Banshee", that was doing on same chip both 2D and 3D acceleration. I had Myst too. I actually still have it with its box and all somewhere. But i never played it really. Turns out i didn't like that kind of games. But it had impressive visuals. I bought it because i was still young and impressionable and game magazines at the time were writing golden reviews... How things changed...I was actually buying computer magazines back then...Good times... I still remember the eagerness to buy the new magazine issue, to cut through the plastic wrapper to get a CD with free utilities and games and put it in the PC. Nowdays kids just go to the internet, a boring routine...

Anyway, the mystery here is what exactly he still does with the P166 nowdays, because i can't think of anything... But, such is the situation with most computer users here. They stick with a rig, until it falls into pieces or burns. Young gamers are the exception, but even there, you 'd be amazed how many play on Phenom/Athlons still today. And gamers are more the crowd that one would consider "enthusiasts". You should see the "average Joes", who make the overwhelming majority of users... Heck, my brother, who is computer illiterate, took my P200MMX for his office at some point. If it wasn't for me, that pretty much forced him to upgrade to Sempron s754 and more recently to AM2+ Athlon X2 5050e (using always old parts of mine), he 'd probably still be with the P200MMX, BUT, even he, noticed that he had "some kind of problem with youtube" with the s754 rig. biggrin.gif Thinking about it, that was AFTER i informed him about the existence of youtube... biggrin.gif
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