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Here's the latest joke. A friend who reads Tom's sent it to me because he got curious. FX 8 cores, are bad for x264 encoding while playing. Such is the decree of "AMD, CPU, Motherboard, ASUS" expert at Tom's Hardware:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2853349/upgrade-8300.html

Are these people just "AMD experts" doing honest mistakes or are they on Intel payroll? I really wonder... Because, although i didn't know what's "OBS", a quick googling brought me to this:

https://jp9000.github.io/OBS/settings/advancedsettings.html

Now, the OP complains about fps drops "only when streaming". A logical person would immediately think: "this is a configuration/allocation of resources problem". A more suspicious person, could think of "VRM throttling" once all cores go 100%. Nope! As always, AMD's fault. So he will actually make his poor friend buy new PC, because essentially, FX are bad for x264 encoding... rolleyes.gif

This is how Dickey is suing AMD. Everywhere you go, anything that happens in an AMD machine, it's AMD's fault. Unbelievable... If someone is registered at Tom's hardware, please tell the poor man, that Intel fanboysm isn't the solution to everything in life. If there is a field where AMD shines, it's video encoding. He can start looking at anything else as cause, except for the 8 core FX.

Well you can't really give the expert badges credit on Toms. They are given by how many best answers are selected from your posts and sometimes they aren't the best. I'm a expert on CPUs and AMD there too but I was genuinely helping people and AMD users. This guy could have gotten the AMD expert by getting best answer for saying AMD sucks and Intel is better.
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Well you can't really give the expert badges credit on Toms. They are given by how many best answers are selected from your posts and sometimes they aren't the best. I'm a expert on CPUs and AMD there too but I was genuinely helping people and AMD users. This guy could have gotten the AMD expert by getting best answer for saying AMD sucks and Intel is better.

Oh...I thought the badges were given by the forum moderators or something...Great...So this "AMD expert", just adviced someone to fork new money for CPU + motherboard and just bagged another "best answer"... Maybe he will get "AMD Archexpert" badge going like that? biggrin.gif
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The previous suggestions hold true. And stability recommendations are well within the core of this thread. If you don't need to be stable, don't seek help and do things on your own. tongue.gif

First off, your mobo. Post some bios screen shots of your settings.

2. Memory at 1866 on 2 dimms is the max recommended memory supported by Vishera. More than those is overclocking.

3. CPU-NB should be set to 2200 default while trying to boot at 1866 on 4 dimms and set your RAM Voltage to say, 1.65V.
Try to post.

4. An alternative way to get 1866 is like you have discovered, 233 FSB at X8 memory multi, X10 CPU-NB max at tge moment, X11 HT Link and keep the CPU Frequency within your target. Set CPU-NB voltage to 1.25 and try to post.

4. Memtest is a weak stability test as it doesn't consider OS variables. And is a long slow one. Try HCI Memtest. It's within Windows and faster.

Run 8 instances for 8 threads on equal RAM amount distribution. (16GB * 95% / 8)

5. Timings should be keep at XMP or DOCP profiles. Like 9-9-9-27-42-CR1. Let it pass 100% coverage for now and fine tune things to heart's desire.

6. You can also opt to OC the memory further by doing FSB. 229 or 267 for 2133 as an example or 250 for 2000. Timings is a child's play. Set, Post, Test, Verify stability. If one is missing, go change one thing at a time. And oh, AIDA 64 bandwidth test for the WIN.

7. Try to set a stable base line even if your heart is not into it. Why? Coz you need to verify if the changes you are making affects performance and give you better User experience. So I would suggest you take this little advise.

Once you mess with FSB OC, everything in your system will run out of spec and will be harder to tune. So always keep in mind that a Multi onle OC for the CPU is a good thing to set first before delving into FSB.

And why set a stable baseline? Simple. You should know where the System works as a failover in case you loss a grip of some variables. It is also good to know the chip's properties as a start. Voltages needed should be within grasp.

Brute force OC is not my cup of tea.

Thank you for your advice. For some weird reasons I cannot set a multiplier higher than 8 on the memory because it won't post. no matter the RAM voltage, nor the NB-CORE Voltage. This is really Annoying.


I finnally got 233MHz Bus speed stable ( no error in Prime95 ( after an hour test), nor inHCI memtestPro (completed in around 5 hours ) - I bought a licence, It's not to high pricey and I could need it again in the future) complete. Unfortunatly, it looks like the printscreen function is broken on my motherboard. or it doesn't support saving to an USB disk ( it is said to need FAT16 or 32 so I used an old usb stick lying around that I was sure of)
For some unholy reasons, the indicated RAM speed in the Windows task manager is 667Mhz wich is not right in any case - even though it is equals to the max bandwith indication of CPU-Z PC3 10700H (1333MHz) - wich is still weird, because it's should support PC3-12800- (1600MHz)). CPU-Z got it right though (DRAM frequency is 932Mhz - times 2 that gives 1864MHz as intended)




these are the CPU settings:

Performance Boost disabled
C&Q Enabled
C6 Disabled
HPC disabled
APM disabled
Virtualization disabled
C1 Disabled

My RAM is getting quite hot ( reaching 65°C in Prime95), probably due to higher Voltage ( I've set it in the BIOS to be 1.65).


Any Ideas about Something I'm doing wrong - or, now that it is stable, another way of making this work.?
post #54744 of 67897
So....

I seemed to have locked down 5ghz with 2500 Ram, 2500nb, and 2500ht....

Very happy with the performance so far... Anyone else pushed their RAM like that?
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Originally Posted by Agent Smith1984 View Post

So....

I seemed to have locked down 5ghz with 2500 Ram, 2500nb, and 2500ht....

Very happy with the performance so far... Anyone else pushed their RAM like that?

Used this ram clock for most of a year, before I started swapping things around etc.
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Thank you for your advice. For some weird reasons I cannot set a multiplier higher than 8 on the memory because it won't post. no matter the RAM voltage, nor the NB-CORE Voltage. This is really Annoying.


I finnally got 233MHz Bus speed stable ( no error in Prime95 ( after an hour test), nor inHCI memtestPro (completed in around 5 hours ) - I bought a licence, It's not to high pricey and I could need it again in the future) complete. Unfortunatly, it looks like the printscreen function is broken on my motherboard. or it doesn't support saving to an USB disk ( it is said to need FAT16 or 32 so I used an old usb stick lying around that I was sure of)
For some unholy reasons, the indicated RAM speed in the Windows task manager is 667Mhz wich is not right in any case - even though it is equals to the max bandwith indication of CPU-Z PC3 10700H (1333MHz) - wich is still weird, because it's should support PC3-12800- (1600MHz)). CPU-Z got it right though (DRAM frequency is 932Mhz - times 2 that gives 1864MHz as intended)




these are the CPU settings:

Performance Boost disabled
C&Q Enabled
C6 Disabled
HPC disabled
APM disabled
Virtualization disabled
C1 Disabled

My RAM is getting quite hot ( reaching 65°C in Prime95), probably due to higher Voltage ( I've set it in the BIOS to be 1.65).


Any Ideas about Something I'm doing wrong - or, now that it is stable, another way of making this work.?

It may have something to do with the RAM kit. Some OC better. Or you can raise the FSB further while keeping the RAM multi to check if it can.

Also, I'll just point out CnQ. I think you need to disable it at the moment along with enabline HPC. It may be causing your CPU to throttle that may mask instabilities while you are setting up for a stable clock.

Don't worry, you can re-enable power saving feats later if you are into saving the planet. But until you have found your final OC, try to keep clocks static.

Which RAM sensor says 65C? Do you have airflow over them? 1.65 is still low for DDR3. But be sure to have some air over them.
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Originally Posted by Agent Smith1984 View Post

So....

I seemed to have locked down 5ghz with 2500 Ram, 2500nb, and 2500ht....

Very happy with the performance so far... Anyone else pushed their RAM like that?

Nice. thumb.gif

I always set CPU-NB a tad higher than RAM clock for more oomph! Have you tried 2750?
Quote:
Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

Used this ram clock for most of a year, before I started swapping things around etc.

orkin is at it! Very nice. thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by MCCrow View Post

Thank you for your advice. For some weird reasons I cannot set a multiplier higher than 8 on the memory because it won't post. no matter the RAM voltage, nor the NB-CORE Voltage. This is really Annoying.


I finnally got 233MHz Bus speed stable ( no error in Prime95 ( after an hour test), nor inHCI memtestPro (completed in around 5 hours ) - I bought a licence, It's not to high pricey and I could need it again in the future) complete. Unfortunatly, it looks like the printscreen function is broken on my motherboard. or it doesn't support saving to an USB disk ( it is said to need FAT16 or 32 so I used an old usb stick lying around that I was sure of)
For some unholy reasons, the indicated RAM speed in the Windows task manager is 667Mhz wich is not right in any case - even though it is equals to the max bandwith indication of CPU-Z PC3 10700H (1333MHz) - wich is still weird, because it's should support PC3-12800- (1600MHz)). CPU-Z got it right though (DRAM frequency is 932Mhz - times 2 that gives 1864MHz as intended)




these are the CPU settings:

Performance Boost disabled
C&Q Enabled
C6 Disabled
HPC disabled
APM disabled
Virtualization disabled
C1 Disabled

My RAM is getting quite hot ( reaching 65°C in Prime95), probably due to higher Voltage ( I've set it in the BIOS to be 1.65).


Any Ideas about Something I'm doing wrong - or, now that it is stable, another way of making this work.?

It may have something to do with the RAM kit. Some OC better. Or you can raise the FSB further while keeping the RAM multi to check if it can.

Also, I'll just point out CnQ. I think you need to disable it at the moment along with enabline HPC. It may be causing your CPU to throttle that may mask instabilities while you are setting up for a stable clock.

Don't worry, you can re-enable power saving feats later if you are into saving the planet. But until you have found your final OC, try to keep clocks static.

Which RAM sensor says 65C? Do you have airflow over them? 1.65 is still low for DDR3. But be sure to have some air over them.
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Originally Posted by Agent Smith1984 View Post

So....

I seemed to have locked down 5ghz with 2500 Ram, 2500nb, and 2500ht....

Very happy with the performance so far... Anyone else pushed their RAM like that?

Nice. thumb.gif

I always set CPU-NB a tad higher than RAM clock for more oomph! Have you tried 2750?
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Originally Posted by cssorkinman View Post

Used this ram clock for most of a year, before I started swapping things around etc.

orkin is at it! Very nice. thumb.gif

It's a pretty good mix of latency and bandwidth. The board doesn't like to go much higher with the NB with this set of ram, but the single rank Avexirs will allow it to go higher as a daily clock, but offer poorer throughput and comparable latency. Cpu/nb voltage necessary to support these speeds does add some heat, but I was able to keep it under control for daily use on a 240 mm aio at a cpu clock of 5 ghz.
EDIT : Example of the Avexir's at 2700+

Edited by cssorkinman - 11/8/15 at 11:55am
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Here's the latest joke. A friend who reads Tom's sent it to me because he got curious. FX 8 cores, are bad for x264 encoding while playing. Such is the decree of "AMD, CPU, Motherboard, ASUS" expert at Tom's Hardware:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2853349/upgrade-8300.html

Are these people just "AMD experts" doing honest mistakes or are they on Intel payroll? I really wonder... Because, although i didn't know what's "OBS", a quick googling brought me to this:

https://jp9000.github.io/OBS/settings/advancedsettings.html

Now, the OP complains about fps drops "only when streaming". A logical person would immediately think: "this is a configuration/allocation of resources problem". A more suspicious person, could think of "VRM throttling" once all cores go 100%. Nope! As always, AMD's fault. So he will actually make his poor friend buy new PC, because essentially, FX are bad for x264 encoding... rolleyes.gif

This is how Dickey is suing AMD. Everywhere you go, anything that happens in an AMD machine, it's AMD's fault. Unbelievable... If someone is registered at Tom's hardware, please tell the poor man, that Intel fanboysm isn't the solution to everything in life. If there is a field where AMD shines, it's video encoding. He can start looking at anything else as cause, except for the 8 core FX.

Like it or not, its a very very bad place AMD is in right now.. I think AMD is going to quit making CPU's and focus more on the APU and GPU side to be honest.
I mean, its a fact that AMD simply can't keep up with Intel CPU's for years now because they lack money or experience or something but they shine in APU's and GPU's.

AMD shines at video encoding..? I am not that experienced at encoding and stuff but IMO it took a while to render/encode some of my clips to be honest and it wasn't even that big.. I am running 4.8 GHz.
That's why i use all of my 1664 cuda cores to render my clips. The difference in speed is night and day. When it took 15 minutes to render some small clips it took 1664 cuda cores only 6 minutes or even less.. Encoding and rendering is not even the hardest thing to do in such programs. You really use your system when you are exporting the video you rendered..
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Like it or not, its a very very bad place AMD is in right now.. I think AMD is going to quit making CPU's and focus more on the APU and GPU side to be honest.
I mean, its a fact that AMD simply can't keep up with Intel CPU's for years now because they lack money or experience or something but they shine in APU's and GPU's.

AMD shines at video encoding..? I am not that experienced at encoding and stuff but IMO it took a while to render/encode some of my clips to be honest and it wasn't even that big.. I am running 4.8 GHz.
That's why i use all of my 1664 cuda cores to render my clips. The difference in speed is night and day. When it took 15 minutes to render some small clips it took 1664 cuda cores only 6 minutes or even less.. Encoding and rendering is not even the hardest thing to do in such programs. You really use your system when you are exporting the video you rendered..
Video encoding with GPUs results in poor quality and poor compression size, at least with HEVC, from what I've seen. It's pretty much standard thought that, if you want high quality, you need to use a CPU.
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Like it or not, its a very very bad place AMD is in right now.. I think AMD is going to quit making CPU's and focus more on the APU and GPU side to be honest.
I mean, its a fact that AMD simply can't keep up with Intel CPU's for years now because they lack money or experience or something but they shine in APU's and GPU's.

On the contrary, AMD goes all out CPU next year. Around December 2016 we should have a new Zen big opteron line up and the usual FX siblings to those. I expect the big FX to be roughly on par with a 5960x for half the price , else I would be buying a 5820k right here right now.
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