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What's your target Memoey clock and CPU-NB?

You might need to roll down on FSB. The higher you go, the harder it is to stabilize. And Vcore will not always cure that.

Target cpu-nb 2400

Interesting... I slowly worked my way up keeping my memory at 1599.


I can run all of these IBT VeryHigh stable.
FSB______200_____________240_____________300
CPU______x24.5 (4900)______x20.5 (4920)_____x16.5 (4950)
CPU/NB___2400____________2400____________2400
HT Link____2600____________2640____________2700
Ram______1600____________1599____________1599
Vcore_____1.488____________1.500____________1.512

I can't run this IBT High stable stable but will run ibt standard..... P95 small fft fails core 2 after like 2 minutes
FSB____________200
CPU___________ x25 (5000)
CPU/NB________2200
HT Link_________2600
Ram___________1600
Vcore__________1.524+
Edited by JerDerv - 11/8/15 at 3:54pm
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What's your cpu/nb volts and nb volts
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Yea so much of this is nvidia psydo truth I won't even go further then "no sorry"
Sigh. You can not see the difference does not mean there isn't one. Means you don't know what you ate looking for.

Provided that i have never really bothered to dig into the particular deficits of HW encoders, since they always lose the image quality comparisons, here's the quick story (taken from link above).

1) The problem with both x264 and x265 is that they were born to be software encoders, using CPU. Even HW CPU encoders are having trouble. GPU encoders took even more years to improve, because they must do a job never designed for the GPU, with GPU resources. The fact that the encoder was also born as software, also means, that simply, some parts of the software encoder, can't be implemented in the hardware. So basically, you get a watered down version of the encoder, which is also faster.

2) 2 englightening posts:



^ Basically, a HW encoder, not having the possibility to use all the software encoder features, and being geared towards speed, in reality, is like doing faster software presets. So, while for example, if you take Handbrake, by default, it will run at preset medium, the hw encoder, is set at a quality setting, equivalent to software version of "ultrafast", which is obviously must faster, because it doesn't do quality...



^ This guy, is actually software author (author of RipBot x264 freeware application). He points out exactly, the bitrate difference (a faster encoding, also requires more bitrate= more size and it's still worse in quality than a slower encoding) and that the HW encoders, lack completely x264 features. For instance, the psy algorithms he mentions. For example, in software encoders, "tune film" sets a specific psy rd value. Psy algorithms are on their turn strictly related to "subme" levels, which on their part are related to quality and speed (higher subme => higher quality > slower encoding). Psy rd make part of "psychovisual optimizations", which in practice, make a calculated image distortion, to better give an image more suited for human eyesight. There is a correlation and synergy between psy rd, trellis, subme level and even deblocking (subme 9 and above, use psy-rd aware deblocking. Basically, the deblocking recognizes and respects the psy-rd effect and deblocks without destroying it). In HW encoder all this is simply... non existant... Basically, the normal software encoder, works with a synergy between these settings:

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/MeGUI/x264_Settings

In software encoder, an encode with subme 9 (which for me is a "must have" for any quality encode), is guaranteed to be a slow encode. Because the encoder has to do so many calculations on each frame...

The hardware encoders, lack many of that and use a "fast" preset. And so they are "fast". smile.gif
Edited by Undervolter - 11/8/15 at 4:00pm
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What's your cpu/nb volts and nb volts
This is where im at right now...
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I have an idea guys, browsing tha webz I came across this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835114039. I want to use it on the back end of my sabertooth along with some thermal tape what do you guys think.
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On the contrary, AMD goes all out CPU next year. Around December 2016 we should have a new Zen big opteron line up and the usual FX siblings to those. I expect the big FX to be roughly on par with a 5960x for half the price , else I would be buying a 5820k right here right now.

that would be sweet. we could go hang out in the intel forums and play fanboys! wheee.gifbiggrin.gif


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I have an idea guys, browsing tha webz I came across this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835114039. I want to use it on the back end of my sabertooth along with some thermal tape what do you guys think.
If you value your hearing...
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HEVC is still immature, it can't retain grain well and the biggest gains in compression/quality come for low bitrates.
I compared Handbrake H.265 with H.264 from Handbrake and the quality and compression gains were very impressive with the DVDs I tested (Babylon 5 movies). At 17 quality and "very slow" it takes an eternity to encode but the file size is very small (870 MB or so for "The Gathering" with 192 AAC audio) and the quality is much better than H.264. In particular, color saturation seems to be better. I also noticed that, even though temporal noise is retained a great deal it doesn't bump up the size of the file like it does with H.264. The "Slow" setting is probably the most optimal with an FX processor since it takes a lot less time. But, if you want the best quality, use Very Slow.

I have also tested Sorenson with GPU (Nvidia) and CPU H.264. The GPU encoding was nothing to write home about. I think H.264 is outdated. Hopefully it will be replaced by HEVC sooner rather than later.

One nice thing about the Very Slow setting is that it does not fully load the CPU so you can still use your FX for other stuff.

I have read that a primary reason why GPUs do poorly at encoding HEVC is because the process is difficult to parallelize. In order to get high speeds, which GPU encoders do, features which improve quality and compression rate are turned off.
Edited by superstition222 - 11/8/15 at 8:30pm
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That's why i said "I am not that experienced at encoding and stuff"'

But if its true what you said, an professional could tell the difference yes?, so why is he using cuda if a CPU has superior quality? I am not saying that you are wrong because i am certainly no expert but i just wonder why.. because wouldn't it be stupid than?

Simple, there are different level of professionals. Some can't tell the difference if they have not looked into it themselves.

If they do the work as a main way of money/occupation then they are professionals. Whether they have a degree or not, learned thoroughly or not does not matter.

As for their CPUs your entitled to your opinion caused by the underperforming bulldozer/Vishera compared to their advertising. I personally don't care since I did not pay ridiculous prices so I didn't expect a near equal product. AMD has made some nice deals relating to the past/current/next gen consoles including with Nintendo and their NX. Their potential deal with Apple for custom SoC for future iMacs is good news for AMD too. As for GPU once again, aesthetics depends on each individual. The ref blower design wasn't sleek as NVIDIA but personally it was better than the previous 7000 series ref cooler design. Hot, power hungry, loud? That was revealed through reviews. So anyone who bought them did knowing. Not AMDs fault. The 290X/290 performance for price was good even at launch. Excluding the horrid high prices due to mining, prices have been lower while performance increased little by little. Recent review shows with latest drivers on Win 10 290X beats 970 and 780 ti in general excluding w/ OC. 290 beating the 780 at a cheaper price point. Even with the ref cooler 50-60% RPM can keep the GPU in the 70Cs but at the cost of noise. With 30-40% RPM you can also limit temps to 85-80C if you want slightly cooler temps with less noise. With water cooling I don't have to worry about noise or temps now with 30-40C temps with GPU intensive tasks.

I believe with 14nm LPP ready by gf with good design, goal, promises AND might have some goodies for us with Zen and Arctic Islands. Yes there is a chance performance doesn't match some of our expectations but less likely a bust I would think. While AMD designed Zen with Intel s future architectures in mind I would say Zen matching Skylake and the next gen a fairytale, but it could be somewhat possible in some performance points even if not at all points. I would be perfectly fine with it matching single IPC just with current Intel offerings like Haswell and Skylake. Man...Zen 8 Core/16 Thread with Haswell Single Core IPC...I'd pay $300+ for it and even $400+ if they OCed well. The wait is killing me, and probably will hurt AMD more the longer it takes them.
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If you value your hearing...
I compared Handbrake H.265 with H.264 from Handbrake and the quality and compression gains were very impressive with the DVDs I tested (Babylon 5 movies). At 17 quality and "very slow" it takes an eternity to encode but the file size is very small (870 MB or so for "The Gathering" with 192 AAC audio) and the quality is much better than H.264. In particular, color saturation seems to be better. I also noticed that, even though temporal noise is retained a great deal it doesn't bump up the size of the file like it does with H.264. The "Slow" setting is probably the most optimal with an FX processor since it takes a lot less time. But, if you want the best quality, use Very Slow.

I have also tested Sorenson with GPU (Nvidia) and CPU H.264. The GPU encoding was nothing to write home about. I think H.264 is outdated. Hopefully it will be replaced by HEVC sooner rather than later.

One nice thing about the Very Slow setting is that it does not fully load the CPU so you can still use your FX for other stuff.

I have read that a primary reason why GPUs do poorly at encoding HEVC is because the process is difficult to parallelize. In order to get high speeds, which GPU encoders do, features which improve quality and compression rate are turned off.

I was just talking about using the copper part, My case has a space where I fit a 140mm fan and it still has enough space for the copper heat sink to fit without compromising. I was thinking woah this could totally cover them tiny transistor that are exactly on the opposite end on the cpu socket!.
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I was just talking about using the copper part, My case has a space where I fit a 140mm fan and it still has enough space for the copper heat sink to fit without compromising. I was thinking woah this could totally cover them tiny transistor that are exactly on the opposite end on the cpu socket!.

Maybe this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835230006
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Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
WD Blue 320 Crucial MX300 525GB Cooler master hyper 212 Windows 10 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
AOC 24 Steelseries Apex 350 Antec truepower trio 550w Corsair M65 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX 8350 SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0 MSI R9 290X Lightning MSI R9 290X Lightning 
RAMRAMRAMHard Drive
Corsair  Corsair  g.skill sniper gaming series 16gb 2400mhz ddr3 WD 1 TB  
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD 320 GB OCZ vertex 3 64GB Samsung 840 Pro 128GB Seagate 250 GB  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Crucial MX300 525 GB Samsung SH-S223L Cooler Master Glacer 240l Windows 8.1 Pro N 64 bit 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 10 Pro 64 bit AOC 2462w Lenovo L2261wA Razer Lycosa 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Antec HCG 750 Rosewill Future corsair vengeance m65 Turtle Beach Montego DDL 
Other
Altec Lansing ADA 995 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 5775c Asus Z97 Deluxe Iris Pro 6200 G. Skill Trident X 2400 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
WD Blue 320 Crucial MX300 525GB Cooler master hyper 212 Windows 10 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
AOC 24 Steelseries Apex 350 Antec truepower trio 550w Corsair M65 
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