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Maybe this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835230006

`Naw that couldnt be used as a bracket base/back Plate because its a socket 775 and the one I posted is compatible with am3.



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Nice find fellas. Implement those and tell us what you get.


In a nutshell from the previous topic: AMD really is crap. biggrin.gif

Look what I find:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/1465417/fs/5526928
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Nice find fellas. Implement those and tell us what you get.


In a nutshell from the previous topic: AMD really is crap. biggrin.gif

Look what I find:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/1465417/fs/5526928
5.5ghz and it only has the performance of a stock i7? frown.gif
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Hey! I'm an owner of an 8350 too! Stock clocks on an Asus M5A97. And I'm perfectly happy with it. I'm not asking the question of, which cpu is better so much as, is it getting the job done well and fast. I suppose I would be asking that if I was doing lots of encoding or rendering though.
   
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I compared Handbrake H.265 with H.264 from Handbrake and the quality and compression gains were very impressive with the DVDs I tested (Babylon 5 movies). At 17 quality and "very slow" it takes an eternity to encode but the file size is very small (870 MB or so for "The Gathering" with 192 AAC audio) and the quality is much better than H.264. In particular, color saturation seems to be better. I also noticed that, even though temporal noise is retained a great deal it doesn't bump up the size of the file like it does with H.264. The "Slow" setting is probably the most optimal with an FX processor since it takes a lot less time. But, if you want the best quality, use Very Slow.

I have also tested Sorenson with GPU (Nvidia) and CPU H.264. The GPU encoding was nothing to write home about. I think H.264 is outdated. Hopefully it will be replaced by HEVC sooner rather than later.

One nice thing about the Very Slow setting is that it does not fully load the CPU so you can still use your FX for other stuff.

I have read that a primary reason why GPUs do poorly at encoding HEVC is because the process is difficult to parallelize. In order to get high speeds, which GPU encoders do, features which improve quality and compression rate are turned off.

Well, yes, DVDs are SD and in conseguence, they fall into the "low bitrate" compartment that i mentioned earlier. DVD doesn't have much detail anyway and when you upscale it, you are bound to lose detail, so you can't really complain about not retaining grain for example. Different is the situation with HD content. The common conclusion is that "when x264 starts to block, x265 starts to blur". For me, for HD content, x265 doesn't worth the encoding time as it is now. Especially, when HDD space is as cheap as it is now. For me x264 isn't obsolete, it's more mature than ever and you can make it work with any sort of source (grainy, clean, dark, etc), because the settings are various and have been tested for so long that it's safe to use them. With x265, there is still no consensus on settings and not even on what one should consider "transparent". Of course, like things in video encoding, one's eye is different than another's. Just like, there is no metric to measure image quality, because psychovisual distortions, work against metrics. So one has to rely on the opinion of the many vs the opinion of the few, to tweak the encoder.

Anyway, i don't really bother with DVDs anymore and the speed for HD is unacceptable for me, even if it was able to perfectly handle any kind of source.

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5.5ghz and it only has the performance of a stock i7? frown.gif

Try also to remember, the pricing of the 2 CPUs when they were at their "prime time"... Firestrike, is probably not loading 100% all 8 cores and/or is FPU heavy.

In integer heavy operation (x264 multithreaded), the FX8350 at stock 4Ghz is 2% slower than i7 3770. The more FPU heavy something goes, the more the gap widens.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/375/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8350_vs_Intel_Core_i7_i7-3770.html

At the same way, in x264, an FX6300 is equivalent to i5 2500:

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/429/AMD_FX-Series_FX-6300_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-2500K.html

The problem of the FX, is that it needs applications that push it to 100% load, exactly because it has 8 weaker cores. So while you can saturate an i5 with 4 threads, you need 8 for FX and with good scaling too.
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Well, yes, DVDs are SD and in conseguence, they fall into the "low bitrate" compartment that i mentioned earlier. DVD doesn't have much detail anyway and when you upscale it, you are bound to lose detail, so you can't really complain about not retaining grain for example. Different is the situation with HD content. The common conclusion is that "when x264 starts to block, x265 starts to blur". For me, for HD content, x265 doesn't worth the encoding time as it is now. Especially, when HDD space is as cheap as it is now. For me x264 isn't obsolete, it's more mature than ever and you can make it work with any sort of source (grainy, clean, dark, etc), because the settings are various and have been tested for so long that it's safe to use them. With x265, there is still no consensus on settings and not even on what one should consider "transparent". Of course, like things in video encoding, one's eye is different than another's. Just like, there is no metric to measure image quality, because psychovisual distortions, work against metrics. So one has to rely on the opinion of the many vs the opinion of the few, to tweak the encoder.

Anyway, i don't really bother with DVDs anymore and the speed for HD is unacceptable for me, even if it was able to perfectly handle any kind of source.
Try also to remember, the pricing of the 2 CPUs when they were at their "prime time"... Firestrike, is probably not loading 100% all 8 cores and/or is FPU heavy.

In integer heavy operation (x264 multithreaded), the FX8350 at stock 4Ghz is 2% slower than i7 3770. The more FPU heavy something goes, the more the gap widens.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/375/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8350_vs_Intel_Core_i7_i7-3770.html

At the same way, in x264, an FX6300 is equivalent to i5 2500:

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/429/AMD_FX-Series_FX-6300_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-2500K.html

The problem of the FX, is that it needs applications that push it to 100% load, exactly because it has 8 weaker cores. So while you can saturate an i5 with 4 threads, you need 8 for FX and with good scaling too.

does seem like thats some of the problem although the single core performance being down means i boots slow im guessing on boot it doesent utilize all the cores? i found my old 2600K to be more responsive even at stock clock vs my 8350 at 4.5ghz. i do miss that 2600 it was a beast.
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Originally Posted by mus1mus View Post

Nice find fellas. Implement those and tell us what you get.


In a nutshell from the previous topic: AMD really is crap. biggrin.gif

Look what I find:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/1465417/fs/5526928

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Originally Posted by mattg View Post

5.5ghz and it only has the performance of a stock i7? frown.gif

The 2700k is clocked at 4.9.
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does seem like thats some of the problem although the single core performance being down means i boots slow im guessing on boot it doesent utilize all the cores? i found my old 2600K to be more responsive even at stock clock vs my 8350 at 4.5ghz. i do miss that 2600 it was a beast.

I don't know how many cores are loaded at boot, but, seeing a kill-a-watt, it sure doesn't come close to 100% load. I think, i 've seen something like 130W power draw for a while while booting, while at full load my rig pulls 200W for video encoding. So Windows doesn't remotely push it at 100% to boot.

Boot times are also dependent on SSD and software that runs at startup (antivirus, firewalls and various junk applications). My rig boots quite quickly to windows 7. I haven't timed it, but it's plenty fast for me.

Having faster ST performance, doesn't always necessarily translate to faster times. For example, most if not all utility software i have, doesn't manage to remotely load 100% one core of the FX. So having an Intel core which is more powerful, won't make it launch faster just because it's more powerful (within architectural characteristics). Or, to put it in another way. If i try to load a utility on my FX at 3.5 and at 4Ghz, i don't see the difference, because the utility is so light anyway that you can't see the difference. Or, for example, i have an Athlon 605e (2.3Ghz) and an Athlon 640 (3Ghz). If you launch the same H264 video file on both, it actually runs at 800 Mhz if you have CnQ and you can't see it loaded earlier in the 3Ghz CPU.

All the "singlethreaded" benchmarks you see in various comparisons, are... benchmarks. Programs that can actually push a single core to 100% load. This isn't the case with most ordinary software. Just like most multithreaded benchmarks, are software capable of pushing ALL cores to 100%, which again, only few software can.

Of course, in GAMES, one is more interested in single threaded, because as things are now, most games are capable of loading 100% 1-4 cores. It's pretty simple. Roughly, 1 Intel core, is equivalent to 2 AMD cores (adjusted properly for frequency). So, when an Intel has 2 cores loaded, to get equivalent performance from AMD, you need the software to be able to load 4. When the Intel had load on 4 cores, you need the software to be able to load 8 in FX. And this has its limits too, because at very high Intel frequencies, even the 8 cores won't be enough.
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The 2700k is clocked at 4.9.

And it is done on a crappy BIOSTAR Group TZ77XE4... if it was done on a higher end board the score would be higher. They run different operating systems too.. even then, the 8370 is clocked 566 MHz higher and still its 346 points behind the I7 which is an CPU you cannot buy anymore..

Do the same tests with the same operating system and a newer i7 CPU and the results are inevitable... i am not bashing on AMD but its just an fact that AMD simply cannot compete with even the older generation i7's from Intel.

Again, i am very happy with my CPU especially for its price but its an fact which is proven time and time again that AMD cannot keep up these days and that's actually kinda sad. Hopefully they will keep word with their new line of CPU's. If not, i will go over to Intel because its game over for AMD i am afraid.
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Nice find fellas. Implement those and tell us what you get.


In a nutshell from the previous topic: AMD really is crap. biggrin.gif

Look what I find:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/1465417/fs/5526928

Meh. That is Firestrike. It is not a real test. Here are my Firestrike loads with a 280X. That was when it was running at 5ghz but CnQ was throttling it down because it had no load on it.



Also, someone mentioned integer math so I dug this up. It's hard to see but this is how my 8370 stacks up against a 5820K.
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