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hmmm could be my asrock board? what would you replace it with? i had major socket temp issues untill i rigged up a fan to block on the back of the cpu. Burn test on medium comes back ok can fail on high intel burn test after a couple solid hours due to heat. running a big noctor dual fan , core temp never gets near limits but socket temps do
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I forgot.

First, abnormally high socket temps (which actually, according to Still's revelation, isn't socket temp, but CPU on die temp), are typical of Asrock motherboards. One has to live with that... Or put fans everywhere. biggrin.gif

IBT AVX on medium isn't enough for stability. You need at least Very High to have a 99% chance to be stable. In undervolting, IBT "standard" is usually 2 voltage notches (in BIOS) away from being stable. I don't know in overclocking. So your CPU is actually doing calculation errors, but usually within the hardware correction abilities, so you don't BSOD. But this slows down the CPU calculation.

See the monumental post by RagingCain:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1500294/why-some-people-dont-like-prime95/60#post_22531179

Personally, even if Intels are faster in desktop. i really don't care. I keep my system light enough, that the desktop performance of the FX with CnQ at mere 4Ghz, is absolutely satisfactory. I mean, we 're playing with 0.1 seconds here (see thread posted above from wilderssecurity).

I will say this going from a 790FX GD-70 to the Asrock 990FX Extreme 3 , boot times were much worse and for whatever reason the Icon's on the desktop took much longer to appear after logging in. Not sure where to place the blame, it wasn't a new windows install, but I was pretty thorough about sweeping the old drivers etc. from the boot drive of the GD70( caviar black). I rma'd the GD 70 because something in the socket area broke ( heavy air cooler) and was expecting it to take much longer than it did - I bought the extreme 3 , swapped everything over and literally the next day had my GD 70 back ( I think it was 9 days total)....lol.
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heres intel burn very high, aida used for logging stats. as you can see core temps are low but that socket temp.....

this is at 4.4ghz on air drawing 1.3v mobo set to 1.4v anything less is unstable

Yep, i 've been saying this since i joined the forum. The culprit must be that Asrock doesn't use the "x2 copper inside the PCB", that ASUS and Gigabyte use. So their PCB overheats from the inside out, due to higher electrical impedance. I 've seen straight 10C reduction on CPU temp, from moving the 8320 from the Asrock 970 Extreme3 to the Gigabyte 970 UD3P. With the Asrock, there is always big gap between CPU temp and core temp. With the UD3P, this gap is much smaller at full load and it gets smaller the more you overclock (i think when i had done a test run to 4.8, that core temp was just 1C lower than "socket"). With the Asrock, your CPU temp will hit 90C before the core can hit 70C.

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I will say this going from a 790FX GD-70 to the Asrock 990FX Extreme 3 , boot times were much worse and for whatever reason the Icon's on the desktop took much longer to appear after logging in. Not sure where to place the blame, it wasn't a new windows install, but I was pretty thorough about sweeping the old drivers etc. from the boot drive of the GD70( caviar black). I rma'd the GD 70 because something in the socket area broke ( heavy air cooler) and was expecting it to take much longer than it did - I bought the extreme 3 , swapped everything over and literally the next day had my GD 70 back ( I think it was 9 days total)....lol.

There is definitely a role of the BIOS at boot. I am pretty sure, that my Asrock 970 Extreme3 actually boots faster than the Gigabyte 970 UD3P, because... the UD3P has to overcome the uncontrollable "urge" to do the "dual boot" thingie at every boot. In fact, from cold, if you switch on the Asrock, you immediately see the POST screen and beep. With the Gigabyte, there are several seconds you have to wait (it's trying to do the double boot), the beep comes much later and then it goes to "normal boot speeds".

Asrock's BIOSes aren't stellar either, i think the 990FX extreme4 has had many problems for example. So it's like crapshoot about what you 'll get.
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Hmmm might be worthwhile just changing the Mobo then and keeping the 8350. could probly push it back up to a stable 4.6 even with the hotter temps (coming into summer)

in winter i was running 4.6 on air but as the ambient temp changed had to adjust. just those damn socket temps

what mobo options do i have?
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ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z Motherboard ?

Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3-R5 4xDDR3 6xPCI-E/1x PCI /8xSATA3/4 x USB3.0 / GLAN / RAID / ATX?
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ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z Motherboard ?

Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3-R5 4xDDR3 6xPCI-E/1x PCI /8xSATA3/4 x USB3.0 / GLAN / RAID / ATX?

Honestly, while there are Gigabyte 990FX UD3 / UD5/ UD7, if i wanted to buy overclocking motherboard, i 'd go straight to ASUS Sabertooth. Costs less than the Crosshair and pretty much all owners here have brought it to 5Ghz. Plus, you don't have to suffer Gigabyte's buggy and ugly BIOSes.

But, the real overclockers in this thread may tell you otherwise. I am just an outside observer of the overclocking world.
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Hmmm might be worthwhile just changing the Mobo then and keeping the 8350. could probly push it back up to a stable 4.6 even with the hotter temps (coming into summer)

in winter i was running 4.6 on air but as the ambient temp changed had to adjust. just those damn socket temps

what mobo options do i have?

Formula-Z isn't really worth the price that gets asked here tbh.....

Unfortunately there aren't alot of options for boards here atm though and ordering from overseas costs more than it's worth unless you can find a good deal redface.gif

My Sabertooth cost $269 from MSY so that might be an option for you?
 
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I had a sabre tooth on my last gen 4 i7 it was a great board
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I had a sabre tooth on my last gen 4 i7 it was a great board

I've run a Formula, Formula-Z and now a Sabertooth 990FX R2 and it's a very solid board and might be your best option considering how hard it is to get a UD5 here let alone a UD7.....
 
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I Don't have any problems with mass effect 3 and remember me, at max settings. The problems I have with BF4 are my fingers on the wrong buttons. These are Nvidia optimized games. I think if you throw enough horsepower at it, It will comply.
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Honestly, while there are Gigabyte 990FX UD3 / UD5/ UD7, if i wanted to buy overclocking motherboard, i 'd go straight to ASUS Sabertooth. Costs less than the Crosshair and pretty much all owners here have brought it to 5Ghz. Plus, you don't have to suffer Gigabyte's buggy and ugly BIOSes.

But, the real overclockers in this thread may tell you otherwise. I am just an outside observer of the overclocking world.

I bought a 9590 and a Extreme9 because I am lazy.cheers.gif
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