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@UV, just move a movie in the GBs and show the details on the copy pane.

In motherboard choices, Kitty can be just on par with the CHVFZ. Only that the CHV shows lower socket temps.
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@UV, just move a movie in the GBs and show the details on the copy pane.

Oh, ok. I will have to try that. It should be simple enough. Thanks.
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In motherboard choices, Kitty can be just on par with the CHVFZ. Only that the CHV shows lower socket temps.

Well, on that, we have a new winner!!!

http://www.overclock.net/t/1579980/asrock-max-socket-temps-number-from-asrock

I don't know how many times i have written that that's not an overclocker's motherboard... rolleyes.gif
Edited by Undervolter - 11/10/15 at 8:32am
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I've set up 2600K, and 3770k rigs with Identical ram and SSD's and OS's to my FX rigs and the Intel's can't hold a candle to them as far as being nimble in the desktop.
You can clock the Intel's to the moon and it doesn't change things. I forced myself to run the 3770k ( at 4.7ghz on a thermaltake extreme water 2.0 ) exclusively for about 10 days , the damn thing frustrated the beans out of me, honest to goodness, the thing made me tired using it . I couldn't stand it any longer than that - I banished it to my nephew's basement where it found it's niche as a guest machine for friends that come over to play .

The I7's I have "feel" closer to my 6800K in the desktop, I'd have a hard time telling between them if it were a blind test.

I don't have a lot of faith in the Asrock motherboards, my 990 Extreme 3 is painfully slow by comparison to my GD 80 or CHV-Z's. I don't have a clue as to why it behaves this way. ( sata controller perhaps?? )

The best way I know if to gimp FX performance is using mismatched or poorly tuned ram, but I've seen people fight thermal throttling too.
What are your temps? Socket and core? What cooling are you using? ( if you say 212..... expect a facepalm lol).

The quickness in desktop won't be effected too much by clockspeed , when properly configured, there just isn't much room for improvement , they are darn quick at stock.
I can however tell if I' running stock vs 5 ghz on my 8350's.

hmmm could be my asrock board? what would you replace it with? i had major socket temp issues untill i rigged up a fan to block on the back of the cpu. Burn test on medium comes back ok can fail on high intel burn test after a couple solid hours due to heat. running a big noctor dual fan , core temp never gets near limits but socket temps do





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Maybe you run Win7 without the 2 microsoft Bulldozer patches or maybe the CnQ of FX is "less snappy" than Intel? I know for a fact, that AM3s feel laggy with CnQ compared to FX. BUT, if you use K10State and change the up and down timers to 100/200ms, you can't tell the difference. Also boot time is influenced by any kernel drivers (3rd party software) is loading.

Anyway, here's a program to eliminate bias or placebo effect (at least to a degree):

http://www.passmark.com/products/apptimer.htm

It would be interesting for people who have both FX and Intel to run this. And also ponder at the end, if it's humanly perceptible the difference or only placebo.
Funny you say that, it was mentioned the same thing lately in a post in my local forum. Whether one could tell the difference between FX and Intel if he was to play a game without FPS counter and without being told what's inside. Everytime you know what you do, there is a bias. That's why in medicine, for drug trials they do "double blind trials", where both the patients and the doctors don't know what's the real drug and what's the placebo. They 've found that even a researcher that tries to follow an objective methodology, if he anticipates subconsciously a result, he will steer the end result to match his subconscious expectation. He will interpret the result in a way, to deviate from truth, as much as his personal bias allows, to match his original expectation.
I don't know if it's a coincidence, but i stopped using AMD SATA due to the Asrock 970 extreme3. Every now and then, in the event viewer it will throw an event about SATA (like SATA reset or something else, i don't remember). Which you otherwise don't detect. This goes away if you use MS AHCI drivers.

Its not like its realy slow i just found it decently slower then an i7 (perceived difference and timed boot) forgot to mention it was with a clean image on both. the intel booted and was operational about 20 sec quicker )


That got me curious as to what my boot time is on this rig - downloaded bootracer - 23 seconds including entering my password. Boot drive is a kingston hyperX 120gb with a whopping 2 gb's of free space ( so overdue for a fresh os) , the windows 7 64 bit OS install is over two and a half years old and has about 90 processes running in the background.
Bootracer's official time lol

Edit: I disabled a few startup programs and ran it again.

Edited by cssorkinman - 11/10/15 at 11:05am
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Cssorkinman, you got me curious! This confirms my kill-a-watt suspicion that Windows doesn't push FX too hard.

This is what i got with my "default" config (including Comodo Firewall v5 will full blown D+ HIPS and MSE). It includes the password to windows screen:



Not too shabby for an undervolter at 4Ghz, right?

I am using Win7 x64 of course.

EDIT: The IRONY! The wonderful otherwise program, not only autosets itself to startup, but also installs a new service, set to run on automatic. Uninstallation time! But it was good to know my boot time! Rep to Cssorkinman for a nice utility. thumb.gif

EDIT2: The proggie actually automatically doesn't count the time to input your Windows password (if you dig into options). How clever! It's a keeper.
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These are my main options

so you would all go with the sabretooth?

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These are my main options

so you would all go with the sabretooth?


Yep, Sabertooth is the best bang for buck board there, UD3 and M5A99FX-Pro are only a little better than your current board and the CVF-Z is too expensive here as i said before so Saberkitty it is smile.gif
 
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allright guys makes me thinks somethings up after running that boot tool.....


this is the second clean install.




this is with all my software but never had issues on my other machines

dropbox.
aida
teamviewer
steam
corsair software.
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allright guys makes me thinks somethings up after running that boot tool.....


this is the second clean install.

this is with all my software but never had issues on my other machines

dropbox.
aida
teamviewer
steam
corsair software.

I bet that even my Athlon X4 605e 2.3Ghz on mechanical HDD boots in less than 60 seconds. There is something terribly wrong with your PC. I don't know what, but it appears terribly slow in the desktop part. How much junk can you possibly have? Use this to see if you have any rogue startup entries:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx

EDIT: I see you have Win10. I assume you have latest drivers? Also check your "Event Viewer" or whatever it's called now on Win10 to see if you have any errors.

Or maybe there is too much Microsoft spyware trying to phone home at startup that delays everything? lachen.gif
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I bet that even my Athlon X4 605e 2.3Ghz on mechanical HDD boots in less than 60 seconds. There is something terribly wrong with your PC. I don't know what, but it appears terribly slow in the desktop part. How much junk can you possibly have? Use this to see if you have any rogue startup entries:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx

EDIT: I see you have Win10. I assume you have latest drivers? Also check your "Event Viewer" or whatever it's called now on Win10 to see if you have any errors.

Or maybe there is too much Microsoft spyware trying to phone home at startup that delays everything? lachen.gif

ill disable all startup items. with nothing in theory it should be under 20 sec
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times still **** even with everything disabled.

definitely cut it down alot. seem like it struggles with speed trying to load some of the software

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