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Nothing super fast but I am running a bloated windows tongue.gif





Disabled everything except for CCC, pretty sure dropping to Win 7 and maybe to a lower res monitor would help as well, I've got around 10 seconds of Boot/Post and then 15-20 seconds on desktop prep (anyone else get the extra 10 second counter thing while desktop is loaded?)

Running X-fire ?

Nope, Single GPU atm
 
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yeah it's not just boot just seems laggy with everything like photoshop etc bios was updated when I did the installation but maybe a new one is out now?

Either you have drivers conflict (that's why i said to see if you have event viewer errors) or your motherboard is dying IMHO. Just guessing, because with such subtle things, it's hard to tell from far awar. Technically, it may even be that your motherboard's SATA controllers are dying (i 've had a s939 motherboard that died only in the SATA controller part). It can't be the FX's fault, as my rig boots at 22 sec vs the 30 sec of your i7 and i am not even overclocking (well i am, but i actually run less than stock FX8350, because i run 4Ghz with Turbo disabled. A normal FX8350 also has turbo active). And i actually do this on a motherboard notorious for its attempt to double boot.

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Disabled everything except for CCC, pretty sure dropping to Win 7 and maybe to a lower res monitor would help as well, I've got around 10 seconds of Boot/Post and then 15-20 seconds on desktop prep (anyone else get the extra 10 second counter thing while desktop is loaded?)

In Win10 the extra Microsoft spyware must be holding you back. So much for "newer and better": biggrin.gif Yes, the desktop counter is normal.
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yeah it's not just boot just seems laggy with everything like photoshop etc bios was updated when I did the installation but maybe a new one is out now?

Either you have drivers conflict (that's why i said to see if you have event viewer errors) or your motherboard is dying IMHO. Just guessing, because with such subtle things, it's hard to tell from far awar. Technically, it may even be that your motherboard's SATA controllers are dying (i 've had a s939 motherboard that died only in the SATA controller part). It can't be the FX's fault, as my rig boots at 22 sec vs the 30 sec of your i7 and i am not even overclocking (well i am, but i actually run less than stock FX8350, because i run 4Ghz with Turbo disabled. A normal FX8350 also has turbo active). And i actually do this on a motherboard notorious for its attempt to double boot.

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Disabled everything except for CCC, pretty sure dropping to Win 7 and maybe to a lower res monitor would help as well, I've got around 10 seconds of Boot/Post and then 15-20 seconds on desktop prep (anyone else get the extra 10 second counter thing while desktop is loaded?)

In Win10 the extra Microsoft spyware must be holding you back. So much for "newer and better": biggrin.gif Yes, the desktop counter is normal.

In all honesty i prefer Wn 7 but i need Win 10 for DX12 testing and the extra 15 seconds wait time aren't going to kill me tongue.gif

Not fan a dual boot systems as well
 
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yeah it's not just boot just seems laggy with everything like photoshop etc bios was updated when I did the installation but maybe a new one is out now?

Either you have drivers conflict (that's why i said to see if you have event viewer errors) or your motherboard is dying IMHO. Just guessing, because with such subtle things, it's hard to tell from far awar. Technically, it may even be that your motherboard's SATA controllers are dying (i 've had a s939 motherboard that died only in the SATA controller part). It can't be the FX's fault, as my rig boots at 22 sec vs the 30 sec of your i7 and i am not even overclocking (well i am, but i actually run less than stock FX8350, because i run 4Ghz with Turbo disabled. A normal FX8350 also has turbo active). And i actually do this on a motherboard notorious for its attempt to double boot.

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Disabled everything except for CCC, pretty sure dropping to Win 7 and maybe to a lower res monitor would help as well, I've got around 10 seconds of Boot/Post and then 15-20 seconds on desktop prep (anyone else get the extra 10 second counter thing while desktop is loaded?)

In Win10 the extra Microsoft spyware must be holding you back. So much for "newer and better": biggrin.gif Yes, the desktop counter is normal.

In all honesty i prefer Wn 7 but i need Win 10 for DX12 testing and the extra 15 seconds wait time aren't going to kill me tongue.gif

Not fan a dual boot systems as well

How many hard disks on the machine you are running bootracer on?
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I 've been a great believer of keeping Windows in perfect condition as much as possible. I 've practiced this for years, even when people were calling me paranoid. And as i 've written lately, a well tuned, kept in pristine conditions Windows installation, in an undervolted PC, can outperform in snappiness feeling, overclocked computers.

So, here's my PC with my "autostart junk" disabled:




^ Mind you! My current WIndows installation isn't at top performance, as i 've installed much junk programs to try, in view of the fact that my new Crucial SSD is coming and so i ll have to format anyway. So under normal conditions, i am pretty sure i could do better. Yes, at mere 4Ghz and without turbo. Years and years of obsessive PC cleaness, pay off and i am glad to see it. And boy, you should see when i was making custom WinXP CDs with Nlite. Nowdays i am not even going that way.

And i don't even have the best SSD out there...

M$ can keep her Win10 all she likes.
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I 've been a great believer of keeping Windows in perfect condition as much as possible. I 've practiced this for years, even when people were calling me paranoid. And as i 've written lately, a well tuned, kept in pristine conditions Windows installation, in an undervolted PC, can outperform in snappiness feeling, overclocked computers.

So, here's my PC with my "autostart junk" disabled:




^ Mind you! My current WIndows installation isn't at top performance, as i 've installed much junk programs to try, in view of the fact that my new Crucial SSD is coming and so i ll have to format anyway. So under normal conditions, i am pretty sure i could do better. Yes, at mere 4Ghz and without turbo. Years and years of obsessive PC cleaness, pay off and i am glad to see it. And boy, you should see when i was making custom WinXP CDs with Nlite. Nowdays i am not even going that way.

And i don't even have the best SSD out there...

M$ can keep her Win10 all she likes.

Very nice score!

I'm betting my nearly 3 year old windows 7 install would make you physically ill , lol.

I was comparing photoshop cpu benches and a 4.5 FX 8xxx should be matching or beating 4770k's at stock, if matt's vish is struggling to beat a laptop i5 something is terribly wrong.
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yeah it's not just boot just seems laggy with everything like photoshop etc bios was updated when I did the installation but maybe a new one is out now?

Either you have drivers conflict (that's why i said to see if you have event viewer errors) or your motherboard is dying IMHO. Just guessing, because with such subtle things, it's hard to tell from far awar. Technically, it may even be that your motherboard's SATA controllers are dying (i 've had a s939 motherboard that died only in the SATA controller part). It can't be the FX's fault, as my rig boots at 22 sec vs the 30 sec of your i7 and i am not even overclocking (well i am, but i actually run less than stock FX8350, because i run 4Ghz with Turbo disabled. A normal FX8350 also has turbo active). And i actually do this on a motherboard notorious for its attempt to double boot.

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Disabled everything except for CCC, pretty sure dropping to Win 7 and maybe to a lower res monitor would help as well, I've got around 10 seconds of Boot/Post and then 15-20 seconds on desktop prep (anyone else get the extra 10 second counter thing while desktop is loaded?)

In Win10 the extra Microsoft spyware must be holding you back. So much for "newer and better": biggrin.gif Yes, the desktop counter is normal.

In all honesty i prefer Wn 7 but i need Win 10 for DX12 testing and the extra 15 seconds wait time aren't going to kill me tongue.gif

Not fan a dual boot systems as well

How many hard disks on the machine you are running bootracer on?

2 HDD's and 2 SSD's tongue.gif
 
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Very nice score!

I'm betting my nearly 3 year old windows 7 install would make you physically ill , lol.

3 year old??? lachen.gif I don't think i 've ever kept an installation for more than 6 months. My current installation is a restored image from 9 October. Here's how my usual reliability monitor graph is. I destroyed it recently, because i 've been installing junk programs to try:



I keep 3 types of images:

1) Windows freshly instaleld and tweaked with drivers only. I don't update drivers unless i have a good reason. I keep old drivers that are known to have zero conflicts and top performance (newer drivers always support worse older hardware). This is an image i restore and update only when i need to keep new drivers (i only change GPU drivers at this point, nothing else). If i have to change many drivers, i format and install Windows from scratch and then i make a new image of this configuration.

2) Windows + "normal programs". It's basically the previous image + all utilities. When new utiilities versions come out, i go back to this image and update them and make new image. When i have many new utilities i go back to image 1 and put from scratch all the utilities and create new image.

3) Added games or utilities i may uninstall. If i don't like them, then i revert to image #2.

Works perfectly. I also use all the stuff that "gurus" say that "don't matter", like registry cleaners.

And of course, my "overlock" (undervolted) to 4Ghz, is rock stable (IBT AVX VH and 12H prime stable). I 've even gone 7 days straight encoding x264 non-stop without a hitch. How to say, the CPU isn't bothered with correcting calculation errors.
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I was comparing photoshop cpu benches and a 4.5 FX 8xxx should be matching or beating 4770k's at stock, if matt's vish is struggling to beat a laptop i5 something is terribly wrong.

There is certainly something terribly wrong in his computer and it's certainly not the FX! The i3s i 've seen were more sluggish than mine in any way. But they weren't my PCs, so i can't say. But FX is no way "sluggish" or lag.

EDIT: Once more, in this case of Mattg, one can see how the expectations and mistrust on AMD, immediately affects judgement. "My PC lags, so it MUST be AMD's fault". Of course, the same can never be if you have an Intel CPU... Poor AMD... You can't fight prejudice... It's a recurring thing you see everywhere. Anything bad happens on a PC with AMD CPU, it's AMD's fault. "My overclocked FX can't play Skyrim smoothly, it's AMD's fault". "My PC shuts down, it's AMD's fault". And so on... How many times, the same pattern...
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Overclock to 4.5Ghz, clean configuration (only Catalyst Control Center from "junk" applications, as i fear remove that):



By accident, i also realized, that keeping CnQ at 4Ghz, costs me about 1 sec in my "dirty config". But who cares...
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yeah it's not just boot just seems laggy with everything like photoshop etc bios was updated when I did the installation but maybe a new one is out now?

Either you have drivers conflict (that's why i said to see if you have event viewer errors) or your motherboard is dying IMHO. Just guessing, because with such subtle things, it's hard to tell from far awar. Technically, it may even be that your motherboard's SATA controllers are dying (i 've had a s939 motherboard that died only in the SATA controller part). It can't be the FX's fault, as my rig boots at 22 sec vs the 30 sec of your i7 and i am not even overclocking (well i am, but i actually run less than stock FX8350, because i run 4Ghz with Turbo disabled. A normal FX8350 also has turbo active). And i actually do this on a motherboard notorious for its attempt to double boot.

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Disabled everything except for CCC, pretty sure dropping to Win 7 and maybe to a lower res monitor would help as well, I've got around 10 seconds of Boot/Post and then 15-20 seconds on desktop prep (anyone else get the extra 10 second counter thing while desktop is loaded?)

In Win10 the extra Microsoft spyware must be holding you back. So much for "newer and better": biggrin.gif Yes, the desktop counter is normal.

In all honesty i prefer Wn 7 but i need Win 10 for DX12 testing and the extra 15 seconds wait time aren't going to kill me tongue.gif

Not fan a dual boot systems as well

How many hard disks on the machine you are running bootracer on?

2 HDD's and 2 SSD's tongue.gif

It's been my experience the more sata devices you have , the slower the boot time gets. Is your OS drive the only one in the boot priority list?

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Very nice score!

I'm betting my nearly 3 year old windows 7 install would make you physically ill , lol.

3 year old??? lachen.gif I don't think i 've ever kept an installation for more than 6 months. My current installation is a restored image from 9 October. Here's how my usual reliability monitor graph is. I destroyed it recently, because i 've been installing junk programs to try:



I keep 3 types of images:

1) Windows freshly instaleld and tweaked with drivers only. I don't update drivers unless i have a good reason. I keep old drivers that are known to have zero conflicts and top performance (newer drivers always support worse older hardware). This is an image i restore and update only when i need to keep new drivers (i only change GPU drivers at this point, nothing else). If i have to change many drivers, i format and install Windows from scratch and then i make a new image of this configuration.

2) Windows + "normal programs". It's basically the previous image + all utilities. When new utiilities versions come out, i go back to this image and update them and make new image. When i have many new utilities i go back to image 1 and put from scratch all the utilities and create new image.

3) Added games or utilities i may uninstall. If i don't like them, then i revert to image #2.

Works perfectly. I also use all the stuff that "gurus" say that "don't matter", like registry cleaners.

And of course, my "overlock" (undervolted) to 4Ghz, is rock stable (IBT AVX VH and 12H prime stable). I 've even gone 7 days straight encoding x264 non-stop without a hitch. How to say, the CPU isn't bothered with correcting calculation errors.
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I was comparing photoshop cpu benches and a 4.5 FX 8xxx should be matching or beating 4770k's at stock, if matt's vish is struggling to beat a laptop i5 something is terribly wrong.

There is certainly something terribly wrong in his computer and it's certainly not the FX! The i3s i 've seen were more sluggish than mine in any way. But they weren't my PCs, so i can't say. But FX is no way "sluggish" or lag.

EDIT: Once more, in this case of Mattg, one can see how the expectations and mistrust on AMD, immediately affects judgement. "My PC lags, so it MUST be AMD's fault". Of course, the same can never be if you have an Intel CPU... Poor AMD... You can't fight prejudice... It's a recurring thing you see everywhere. Anything bad happens on a PC with AMD CPU, it's AMD's fault. "My overclocked FX can't play Skyrim smoothly, it's AMD's fault". "My PC shuts down, it's AMD's fault". And so on... How many times, the same pattern...


It's so pervasive you can hardly blame those with very little cross-platform experience. The blue kool-aide brainwashing brigade claims lots of victims. E.G. http://www.technologyx.com/featured/amd-vs-intel-our-8-core-cpu-gaming-performance-showdown/#comment-2349623049
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