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It's possible but as i said, It's not worth me worrying about that much for the sake of a few extra seconds, I'm the type of person that hits the power button then walks away for a while (habit from my old Phenom rolleyes.gif )
 
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It's so pervasive you can hardly blame those with very little cross-platform experience. The blue kool-aide brainwashing brigade claims lots of victims.

Well, the last Intel CPU i 've had, was Pentium 200MMX. Still, this doesn't inhibit me from understanding that FX doesn't have a lag problem. Everything i do is ridiculously fast and i am not even using high clock memory, just mundane 1600 C9 RAM. Heck, even the Athlon II with K10Stat doesn't have anything to envy from FX in desktop responsiveness. I mean, with well tuned Windows, even the Athlon 640 FLIES in navigating through folders, opening utilities and such. Games and heavy stuff is different, but general desktop experience is very good. You arrive to a point that it's very difficult to humanly need "more", when you already talk of a few hundred msec.

But, but, but, why isn't he benching at 1024 x768? That's unfair! This way he is GPU limited! I challenge him to repeat the same at 640x480! And... that "Project Cars" is defective, it goes against nature! tongue.gif
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It's possible but as i said, It's not worth me worrying about that much for the sake of a few extra seconds, I'm the type of person that hits the power button then walks away for a while (habit from my old Phenom rolleyes.gif )

Same here, i am back to my "slow" default 22 sec. Heck, like i always say, for me 4Ghz are overkill. There is nothing wrong with an FX at 4Ghz...

EDIT: The Intel octacores, are paying the price that FX was paying for years. Games just can't use them yet. Now you have Intel fanboys ( see comments) yelling "it's not fair, the game can't use 8 cores, that's why FX still hangs on so well". Well, tough luck, fanboy. When you were sneering at AMD for "moar cores" and writing accolades for the "amazeballs" PentiumG, running "like a bullet" in 1 threaded games it was fair, right? biggrin.gif
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3 year old??? lachen.gif I don't think i 've ever kept an installation for more than 6 months. My current installation is a restored image from 9 October. Here's how my usual reliability monitor graph is. I destroyed it recently, because i 've been installing junk programs to try:



I keep 3 types of images:

1) Windows freshly instaleld and tweaked with drivers only. I don't update drivers unless i have a good reason. I keep old drivers that are known to have zero conflicts and top performance (newer drivers always support worse older hardware). This is an image i restore and update only when i need to keep new drivers (i only change GPU drivers at this point, nothing else). If i have to change many drivers, i format and install Windows from scratch and then i make a new image of this configuration.

2) Windows + "normal programs". It's basically the previous image + all utilities. When new utiilities versions come out, i go back to this image and update them and make new image. When i have many new utilities i go back to image 1 and put from scratch all the utilities and create new image.

3) Added games or utilities i may uninstall. If i don't like them, then i revert to image #2.

Works perfectly. I also use all the stuff that "gurus" say that "don't matter", like registry cleaners.

And of course, my "overlock" (undervolted) to 4Ghz, is rock stable (IBT AVX VH and 12H prime stable). I 've even gone 7 days straight encoding x264 non-stop without a hitch. How to say, the CPU isn't bothered with correcting calculation errors.
There is certainly something terribly wrong in his computer and it's certainly not the FX! The i3s i 've seen were more sluggish than mine in any way. But they weren't my PCs, so i can't say. But FX is no way "sluggish" or lag.

EDIT: Once more, in this case of Mattg, one can see how the expectations and mistrust on AMD, immediately affects judgement. "My PC lags, so it MUST be AMD's fault". Of course, the same can never be if you have an Intel CPU... Poor AMD... You can't fight prejudice... It's a recurring thing you see everywhere. Anything bad happens on a PC with AMD CPU, it's AMD's fault. "My overclocked FX can't play Skyrim smoothly, it's AMD's fault". "My PC shuts down, it's AMD's fault". And so on... How many times, the same pattern...

i wouldnt say its that its just due to building 100+ intel machines and never having an issue over the last 5 years except for hdd and some mobo failures and then coming to AMD first ever build and runs like a sack of turd!! it may make me seem bias but im anything but i just thought this is how they were (it games 100% fine) after seeing everyones boot speeds its made me realize somethings up (all this hardware is 3 months old)

So far
replaced ram (the other ram was also brand new) hyper x 1600mhz last ram was 1800 thought the higher clock was affecting it.
replaced the SSD, now a hyper x pred, last was a samsung 840
removed hdds same boot
no cd drive
installed 8.1 fresh problem still present
install 10 fresh still present
reinstalled 10 still present

looking into mobo drivers now. and turning off OC to see how that effects boot (was sluggish before OC, OC made system feel quicker originaly)
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Ok so there was a new bios update. updated bios and removed over clock

no real surprises that it booted a couple seconds slower without the overclock. what do look into now? different amd drivers? sata controller?
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Ok so there was a new bios update. updated bios and removed over clock

no real surprises that it booted a couple seconds slower without the overclock. what do look into now? different amd drivers? sata controller?

I would update every driver to the latest at first.

Than press win button + r and go to msconfig. Go to boot section and select advanced options than select number of processors and select 8 which is all of your cores.
Than select no GUI boot and set 0 by timeout.

OR you can just follow the optimizations of this thread: http://www.overclock.net/t/1240779/seans-windows-8-install-optimization-guide-for-ssds-hdds

Good luck.
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running IBT burn in very high on stock clocks...

is this heat throttling kicking in now that it has the thermal protection re enabled in bios? seems to be sitting around 3.3ghz-3.9 and using 90% load?

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@Mattg

1) You are not running IBT AVX. You running the "simple" IBT (without AVX). Get the AVX version from the 1st page of this thread.

2) While you run IBT AVX Very High, keep open CPU-Z. You should see your clock stuck at 4Ghz. If you see it drop, there are 2 cases:

a) "Mini throttling", if frequency drops a bit. This is caused by having APM enabled.
b) Plain throttling, if you see frequency drop a lot, usually to 1400Mhz.
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@Mattg

1) You are not running IBT AVX. You running the "simple" IBT (without AVX). Get the AVX version from the 1st page of this thread.

2) While you run IBT AVX Very High, keep open CPU-Z. You should see your clock stuck at 4Ghz. If you see it drop, there are 2 cases:

a) "Mini throttling", if frequency drops a bit. This is caused by having APM enabled.
b) Plain throttling, if you see frequency drop a lot, usually to 1400Mhz.

the socket temps are nuts on this board. check out the core temps and then the socket temps (this is with a 120mm fan blowing on the back of the socket 24/7 to)

i didnt think it would mini throttle at 65 i thought it was 70? just an interesting observation.
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the socket temps are nuts on this board. check out the core temps and then the socket temps (this is with a 120mm fan blowing on the back of the socket 24/7 to)

i didnt think it would mini throttle at 65 i thought it was 70? just an interesting observation.

Socket temps (which are on die temps), are always nuts in Asrock boards, maybe with few exceptions. On my Asrock 970 Extreme3, when i had the 8320 at 4Ghz-1.265v, i was hitting 62C. The Asrock motherboards from what i 've seen, don't throttle according to CPU temp, but probably by VRM temp or power output (i don't know). Usually Asrock let's you "cook" in the CPU temp, without throttling.

The mini throttle isn't because of temp. It's because of APM. APM is there to prohibit the CPU from exceeding the TDP (or at least, the way the motherboard perceives it). In stress tests, it's common to cause minithrottle when APM is on. I remember on my extreme3, at 3.5Ghz, you 'd see something like 3.5-->3.2 (or 3.0 i am not sure) ->3.5->3.2. With APM off, this goes away and you are suck at full speed.

You think your 64C is high? Welcome to the Asrock world! Check this out! biggrin.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/1579980/asrock-max-socket-temps-number-from-asrock
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Socket temps (which are on die temps), are always nuts in Asrock boards, maybe with few exceptions. On my Asrock 970 Extreme3, when i had the 8320 at 4Ghz-1.265v, i was hitting 62C. The Asrock motherboards from what i 've seen, don't throttle according to CPU temp, but probably by VRM temp or power output (i don't know). Usually Asrock let's you "cook" in the CPU temp, without throttling.

The mini throttle isn't because of temp. It's because of APM. APM is there to prohibit the CPU from exceeding the TDP (or at least, the way the motherboard perceives it). In stress tests, it's common to cause minithrottle when APM is on. I remember on my extreme3, at 3.5Ghz, you 'd see something like 3.5-->3.2 (or 3.0 i am not sure) ->3.5->3.2. With APM off, this goes away and you are suck at full speed.

You think your 64C is high? Welcome to the Asrock world! Check this out! biggrin.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/1579980/asrock-max-socket-temps-number-from-asrock

thats nuts!!!

im running around 75 socket temp when i was running a 4.5ghz, anything over 78 and i was getting major throttling (even with throttling disabled in bios) im guessing thermal throttle?

they dont run cool thats for sure. in saying that tho my core temps are allways low its just that damn socket temp
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