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Oh, Do you happen to know what thermal paste you are using? there are some pastes (arctic silver 5 most notably) need cure time. (for as5 this is about a little more than a week of use)

and during this cure time the temps are usually higher by 3-5 degrees.

GC-extreme from gelid also exibit this behaviour for me but with a much shorter cure time (2 or 3 days)

I was going to get AS5 but all they had in stock was MX-2
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In the 120mm radiator fan category I would say CoolerMaster Jetflo's are your best bet. They exceed their specifications when blowing free air and end up matching their specifications when pulling through a filter. They make brilliant rad fans. But at 2200rpm can get a bit noisy when using more than two.

In the 140mm category. The Aerocool DS's get my vote. With the same free air airflow figures as my Sharks but with double the static pressure. It's too bad I can't get them in South Africa otherwise I would of bought 6 of them instead of three Sharks to replace my cracked fans.

https://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/spectre-pro-pwm/

this one product in both 140 and 120 blows your recommendations away

they push more air have similar sp and are quiter
unfortunately for once I have to disagree with you on that. From some of the fan test threads on OCN including Tator Tot's round up and a few others have the Specter pros mediocre at best. They are annoyingly noisy probably caused by all the vanes on the frame. A false advertised HDB which turns out to be a pretty basic rifle bearing once opened. Also they are exceedingly expensive for what they are. At least in South Africa. I don't now how they price compared to other fans there. But it seems HDB simply means let's throw another $10 onto the price. They are just meh fans for the price they ask and the performance they provide

The Jetflo has superior bearing technology with POM bearing. And has brilliant performance too boot. Unfortunately at top speed it is noisy. But it provides the performance to match the noise.

As on the 140mm spector pros might beat out the DS's on pure performance but once again noise to performance is against them here. Unfortunately I have no personal experience with the DS's here. But all of the reviews I have read are positive (for the 1500rpm models. Personally the 1000rpm DS's are meh)

And in this whole post I have been assuming you meant the faster PWM specter pros. I don't see any of the slower standard LED models beating out the above contenders.
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I fail to see how this will help her. the temp drop would have to be in the range of 20-30*c for her to make up the performance in clock speed.

given her stated work load this is not something I would ever suggest
see my above post. bitfenix pwm pros stomp all over them they do the same job quieter and more efficiently (meaning you can get more on a controller before the poop out)

notuca industrials are nice but IMHO overkill too bloody loud, mind you the system that i heard them in didn't run them under 70% frown.gif

Exactly how much performance is she going to lose by lowering HT to 2400mhz?. Also I recommended fans I own or have owned, I didn't know bitfenix had fans. I cant find a review on them those specs look too good to be true. I run my Noctua's full blast cant hear them I have kids, I once accidentally stuck my finger in 1 of the Noctua 3000 rpm fan at full speed while checking it out and it didn't break nor crack hurt a little not to bad though same case with the Aerocool they are both well made fans in my book with the Aerocool being a lot quieter and less deadly to your digits a very important factor if you have kids with sticky hands lol.

OK, fair point. I have actually use both biggrin.gif

one thing i'd like to mention is i don't know if the Canadian version is different from the american version, their website would only show me Canadian only versions (likely due to my IP)

My best friend since high school (e.g. the stone age) has been using these fans for awhile now, I will say they get to a lower RPM in a DB range that you'd need proper equipment to test (this goes for both fans actually)

but once you start adding a little power at about 60% duty give or take 2 or 3% the bitfenix start performing better.

the only thing slightly disingenuous about the readouts is the DB level at 12v, but its only off by essentially a calibration error % of the mic. (or might be the fact this room is treated for dead silence, that would drive me mad)

every time i put a mic near one it didn't exceed 31-32db in the case and only from 10v on was the noise effected.

CFM and SP are accurate as i can tell, they are stronger than Sp120L and only when the SP120 HP are at full power do they out perform the pwm pros

these fans fly under the radar for so many people.
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In the 120mm radiator fan category I would say CoolerMaster Jetflo's are your best bet. They exceed their specifications when blowing free air and end up matching their specifications when pulling through a filter. They make brilliant rad fans. But at 2200rpm can get a bit noisy when using more than two.

In the 140mm category. The Aerocool DS's get my vote. With the same free air airflow figures as my Sharks but with double the static pressure. It's too bad I can't get them in South Africa otherwise I would of bought 6 of them instead of three Sharks to replace my cracked fans.

https://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/spectre-pro-pwm/

this one product in both 140 and 120 blows your recommendations away

they push more air have similar sp and are quiter
unfortunately for once I have to disagree with you on that. From some of the fan test threads on OCN including Tator Tot's round up and a few others have the Specter pros mediocre at best. They are annoyingly noisy probably caused by all the vanes on the frame. A false advertised HDB which turns out to be a pretty basic rifle bearing once opened. Also they are exceedingly expensive for what they are. At least in South Africa. I don't now how they price compared to other fans there. But it seems HDB simply means let's throw another $10 onto the price. They are just meh fans for the price they ask and the performance they provide

The Jetflo has superior bearing technology with POM bearing. And has brilliant performance too boot. Unfortunately at top speed it is noisy. But it provides the performance match the noise.

As on the 140mm spector pros might beat out the DS's on pure performance but once again noise to performance is against them here. Unfortunately I have no personal experience with the DS's here. But all of the reviews I have read are positive (for the 1500rpm models. Personally the 1000rpm DS's are meh)

spectre pros and pro pwm are two different fans. spectre pros are junk..

https://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/spectre-pro-pwm#specs

https://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/spectre-pro#specs

he didn't test the pwm pros

also the areocools use the same bearing design as the pro pwms (not sure if the manufacturer is teh same but the design is the same)

I actually prefer the 140mm version, i think they are better than the spec sheet mentions. they are defiantly quieter than 30db at max speeds/voltage
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Oh, Do you happen to know what thermal paste you are using? there are some pastes (arctic silver 5 most notably) need cure time. (for as5 this is about a little more than a week of use)

and during this cure time the temps are usually higher by 3-5 degrees.

GC-extreme from gelid also exibit this behaviour for me but with a much shorter cure time (2 or 3 days)

I was going to get AS5 but all they had in stock was MX-2

MX-2 is fine, doesn't really have a cure time beyond the first two power cycles and that is just the melt and spread aspect , i'm pretty sure that is what my cpu is pasted with currently

as i'm pretty sure i used the last of the gc-extreme i had for my gpu
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Oh, Do you happen to know what thermal paste you are using? there are some pastes (arctic silver 5 most notably) need cure time. (for as5 this is about a little more than a week of use)

and during this cure time the temps are usually higher by 3-5 degrees.

GC-extreme from gelid also exibit this behaviour for me but with a much shorter cure time (2 or 3 days)

she quoted AS5 in previous post i think

ive always used mx4

mx-4 is always a solid choice, they eliminated the cure time by making it slightly easier to spread initially
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In the 120mm radiator fan category I would say CoolerMaster Jetflo's are your best bet. They exceed their specifications when blowing free air and end up matching their specifications when pulling through a filter. They make brilliant rad fans. But at 2200rpm can get a bit noisy when using more than two.

In the 140mm category. The Aerocool DS's get my vote. With the same free air airflow figures as my Sharks but with double the static pressure. It's too bad I can't get them in South Africa otherwise I would of bought 6 of them instead of three Sharks to replace my cracked fans.

https://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/spectre-pro-pwm/

this one product in both 140 and 120 blows your recommendations away

they push more air have similar sp and are quiter
unfortunately for once I have to disagree with you on that. From some of the fan test threads on OCN including Tator Tot's round up and a few others have the Specter pros mediocre at best. They are annoyingly noisy probably caused by all the vanes on the frame. A false advertised HDB which turns out to be a pretty basic rifle bearing once opened. Also they are exceedingly expensive for what they are. At least in South Africa. I don't now how they price compared to other fans there. But it seems HDB simply means let's throw another $10 onto the price. They are just meh fans for the price they ask and the performance they provide

The Jetflo has superior bearing technology with POM bearing. And has brilliant performance too boot. Unfortunately at top speed it is noisy. But it provides the performance match the noise.

As on the 140mm spector pros might beat out the DS's on pure performance but once again noise to performance is against them here. Unfortunately I have no personal experience with the DS's here. But all of the reviews I have read are positive (for the 1500rpm models. Personally the 1000rpm DS's are meh)

spectre pros and pro pwm are two different fans. spectre pros are junk..

https://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/spectre-pro-pwm#specs

https://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/spectre-pro#specs

he didn't test the pwm pros
See I find that strange. How does their 120 provide less static pressure than the 140? That doesn't make sense to me. At around 70 CFM the 120 Specter Pro isn't winning any contests. The Jetflo is rated for 95 at 0 resistance, but actually manages 110 without any resistance. And has a better static pressure at 2.72 as well. And since the SP120HP's were mentioned. They are also hopelessly outclassed by the Jetflo.

On the 140 side. I just don't think I believe that SP figure with it being higher than the 120mm model.
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In the 120mm radiator fan category I would say CoolerMaster Jetflo's are your best bet. They exceed their specifications when blowing free air and end up matching their specifications when pulling through a filter. They make brilliant rad fans. But at 2200rpm can get a bit noisy when using more than two.

In the 140mm category. The Aerocool DS's get my vote. With the same free air airflow figures as my Sharks but with double the static pressure. It's too bad I can't get them in South Africa otherwise I would of bought 6 of them instead of three Sharks to replace my cracked fans.

https://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/spectre-pro-pwm/

this one product in both 140 and 120 blows your recommendations away

they push more air have similar sp and are quiter
unfortunately for once I have to disagree with you on that. From some of the fan test threads on OCN including Tator Tot's round up and a few others have the Specter pros mediocre at best. They are annoyingly noisy probably caused by all the vanes on the frame. A false advertised HDB which turns out to be a pretty basic rifle bearing once opened. Also they are exceedingly expensive for what they are. At least in South Africa. I don't now how they price compared to other fans there. But it seems HDB simply means let's throw another $10 onto the price. They are just meh fans for the price they ask and the performance they provide

The Jetflo has superior bearing technology with POM bearing. And has brilliant performance too boot. Unfortunately at top speed it is noisy. But it provides the performance match the noise.

As on the 140mm spector pros might beat out the DS's on pure performance but once again noise to performance is against them here. Unfortunately I have no personal experience with the DS's here. But all of the reviews I have read are positive (for the 1500rpm models. Personally the 1000rpm DS's are meh)

spectre pros and pro pwm are two different fans. spectre pros are junk..

https://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/spectre-pro-pwm#specs

https://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/spectre-pro#specs

he didn't test the pwm pros
See I find that strange. How does their 120 provide less static pressure than the 140? That doesn't make sense to me. At around 70 CFM the 120 Specter Pro isn't winning any contests. The Jetflo is rated for 95 at 0 resistance, but actually manages 110 without any resistance. And has a better static pressure at 2.72 as well. And since the SP120HP's were mentioned. They are also hopelessly outclassed by the Jetflo.

On the 140 side. I just don't think I believe that SP figure with it being higher than the 120mm model.

i'm tellin ya the 140mm one kick some serious but. they feel like the 120s in a bigger housing using the same power and the same rotation speed but since the fan is larger and the rpm is counted from the edge of the blade it reduce the rpm number, while increasing the air flow and sp

the slight amperage bump from the 120m to the 140m is enough to explain this. if i trusted my self to get the fan open and not break it i would do it an take pics but as it stand i'm a bull in a china shop soooo ya i'm gunna pass on this one
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In the 120mm radiator fan category I would say CoolerMaster Jetflo's are your best bet. They exceed their specifications when blowing free air and end up matching their specifications when pulling through a filter. They make brilliant rad fans. But at 2200rpm can get a bit noisy when using more than two.

In the 140mm category. The Aerocool DS's get my vote. With the same free air airflow figures as my Sharks but with double the static pressure. It's too bad I can't get them in South Africa otherwise I would of bought 6 of them instead of three Sharks to replace my cracked fans.

https://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/spectre-pro-pwm/

this one product in both 140 and 120 blows your recommendations away

they push more air have similar sp and are quiter
unfortunately for once I have to disagree with you on that. From some of the fan test threads on OCN including Tator Tot's round up and a few others have the Specter pros mediocre at best. They are annoyingly noisy probably caused by all the vanes on the frame. A false advertised HDB which turns out to be a pretty basic rifle bearing once opened. Also they are exceedingly expensive for what they are. At least in South Africa. I don't now how they price compared to other fans there. But it seems HDB simply means let's throw another $10 onto the price. They are just meh fans for the price they ask and the performance they provide

The Jetflo has superior bearing technology with POM bearing. And has brilliant performance too boot. Unfortunately at top speed it is noisy. But it provides the performance match the noise.

As on the 140mm spector pros might beat out the DS's on pure performance but once again noise to performance is against them here. Unfortunately I have no personal experience with the DS's here. But all of the reviews I have read are positive (for the 1500rpm models. Personally the 1000rpm DS's are meh)

spectre pros and pro pwm are two different fans. spectre pros are junk..

https://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/spectre-pro-pwm#specs

https://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/accessories/spectre-pro#specs

he didn't test the pwm pros
See I find that strange. How does their 120 provide less static pressure than the 140? That doesn't make sense to me. At around 70 CFM the 120 Specter Pro isn't winning any contests. The Jetflo is rated for 95 at 0 resistance, but actually manages 110 without any resistance. And has a better static pressure at 2.72 as well. And since the SP120HP's were mentioned. They are also hopelessly outclassed by the Jetflo.

On the 140 side. I just don't think I believe that SP figure with it being higher than the 120mm model.

i'm tellin ya the 140mm one kick some serious but. they feel like the 120s in a bigger housing using the same power and the same rotation speed but since the fan is larger and the rpm is counted from the edge of the blade it reduce the rpm number, while increasing the air flow and sp

the slight amperage bump from the 120m to the 140m is enough to explain this. if i trusted my self to get the fan open and not break it i would do it an take pics but as it stand i'm a bull in a china shop soooo ya i'm gunna pass on this one
I only have experience with the 120mm model. And from what I can tell the JetFlo is definitely superior.

I haven't tried the 140mm. I would though if they made an LED PWM model. But alas. They don't.
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I haven't tried the 140mm. I would though if they made an LED PWM model. But alas. They don't.

chassis for the LED version and the non led version are the same the LED version is jsut clear plastic tinted while the pwm pros are black.

they all have usable cleared out 5mm LED mounting holes.

VERY VERY mod friendly. and if you wanna get super geeky and bawler you could find some expensive RGBY 5mm leds and rig up your own colour scheme

the LED versions used a different noisier bearing ( i have a pair) and are no where near as powerful, somewhere in the range of spectro pros(yuk)

this being said the bitfenix plastic is tough to mount with fan mounting screws and was likely intended for radiator use exclusively so there is that, the jetflos are easier to mount.

is there a lower power lower speed version of the jetflos? or was there? kuz i'm willing to accept that i might not have used the exact fan. (the fans were not mine they were in a system i was fixing)
they looked exactly the same had cooler master branding but i had the polar opposite reaction to yours
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