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I'd love to run my ram at its rated speed. frown.gif
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those stick will not run those timings at 1.5v.

those sticks will need a massive increase in voltage and increase a tempurate THAT CANNOT BE MONITORED without a FLIR or a temp probe which i'm willing to be she has neither.

not to mention the insane amount of time it would take for hci memtest to verify stability.

when someone is newish to over clocking in general, its is a REALLY REALLY good idea to tell them how to check stability on the part you are telling them to modifiy settings on.

IBT and Prime are not designed to test for that. you NEED to use something that is designed to test and stress memory alone.

faster NB and HT can be monitored and kept in check. yes tightening up the ram will provide better performance. that is something better left to her disgression when she is more comfortable with the chip.

and willing to accept the greater risk involved (due to lack of monitoring) {keep in mind we are dealing with quite obviously LOW binned ram, this is not an insult to the ram it will do what tis advertize to do, but its very very rare for low bin ICS to be able to OC worth anything, and yes i consider tightening timings over clocking, kuz if you do it right you get better performance.

eh I googled what was on her sig and newegg showed up 1600mhz at cl9 is this one of those same brand/model but not the same thing -...- Its not these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211701 ?.
Edited by Kalistoval - 1/20/16 at 2:20pm
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I was sayin from 2600 Mhz HT to 2400 Mhz HT. You lose a tad bit of performance not much since your not running more than 1 gpu. At the same time what you save in temp you can use as headroom towards a higher cpu core speed.

lowering your HT speed with this speed of memory and loose timing will require a much greater difference in core clocks than the mere 10* will allow at the thermal limit. in this situation you'd be praying those CL11 1600mhz stick will do cl 7 or cl8 timings. I don't have that much faith in adata's slower memory. if they were sammies i might not be saying this but.. IIRC adata uses hynix ICs

GPU communication isn't the only thing effect by HT speeds. your multi threaded performance will; be reduced by a margin greater than the margin that is achievable with the temp drop, especially when alot of memory is being used

so despite the extra thermal headroom you are at a lower performance setting than previous, i'm sure CSSorkin will back me up on this as he himself was shocked but the effect of 200mhz boost on the HT in the physics aspect of fire strike, the boost is also likely marked at a larger percentage in sheer API performance which is much more relevant to her work load than a synthetic gaming benchmark


I was surprised at the improvement, and it explains why an old firestrike (EDIT: it was actually 3dmark 11 sorry) run on my GD-80 whips my crosshair's physics score at the same cpu clock . I think I had my HT at 2900+ on that run.

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I haven't touched them.


That's holding you back run them at 9-9-9-24-1T it will not hurt your temps.

those stick will not run those timings at 1.5v.

those sticks will need a massive increase in voltage and increase a tempurate THAT CANNOT BE MONITORED without a FLIR or a temp probe which i'm willing to be she has neither.

not to mention the insane amount of time it would take for hci memtest to verify stability.

when someone is newish to over clocking in general, its is a REALLY REALLY good idea to tell them how to check stability on the part you are telling them to modifiy settings on.

IBT and Prime are not designed to test for that. you NEED to use something that is designed to test and stress memory alone.

faster NB and HT can be monitored and kept in check. yes tightening up the ram will provide better performance. that is something better left to her disgression when she is more comfortable with the chip.

and willing to accept the greater risk involved (due to lack of monitoring) {keep in mind we are dealing with quite obviously LOW binned ram, this is not an insult to the ram it will do what tis advertize to do, but its very very rare for low bin ICS to be able to OC worth anything, and yes i consider tightening timings over clocking, kuz if you do it right you get better performance.

I'm not sure her kit is equipped with a thermal sensor. I do know that some PNY do have them and if it does, Aida 64 can give you those temps.

Edited by cssorkinman - 1/20/16 at 2:54pm
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I'd love to run my ram at its rated speed. frown.gif
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those stick will not run those timings at 1.5v.

those sticks will need a massive increase in voltage and increase a tempurate THAT CANNOT BE MONITORED without a FLIR or a temp probe which i'm willing to be she has neither.

not to mention the insane amount of time it would take for hci memtest to verify stability.

when someone is newish to over clocking in general, its is a REALLY REALLY good idea to tell them how to check stability on the part you are telling them to modifiy settings on.

IBT and Prime are not designed to test for that. you NEED to use something that is designed to test and stress memory alone.

faster NB and HT can be monitored and kept in check. yes tightening up the ram will provide better performance. that is something better left to her disgression when she is more comfortable with the chip.

and willing to accept the greater risk involved (due to lack of monitoring) {keep in mind we are dealing with quite obviously LOW binned ram, this is not an insult to the ram it will do what tis advertize to do, but its very very rare for low bin ICS to be able to OC worth anything, and yes i consider tightening timings over clocking, kuz if you do it right you get better performance.

eh I googled what was on her sig and newegg showed up 1600mhz at cl9 is this one of those same brand/model but not the same thing -...- Its not these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211701 ?.

nope

likely these if i had to guess given the one of two images she has in her gallery that show her ram

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211816


@CSSorkin, I should have been spesific i know there are ram kits that have sensors in them but i've NEVER heard of adata being one of those.

it does come off as being a bit generalized doesn't it.

asus limits the HT to 2600 @ the 200bclk, does Msi let you access a higher value while at stock bus? This is another reason why i'm itching to get Bus tweaking on this chip. I miss my 2900+ HT frequency
Edited by FlailScHLAMP - 1/20/16 at 2:38pm
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I'd love to run my ram at its rated speed. frown.gif
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Originally Posted by FlailScHLAMP View Post

those stick will not run those timings at 1.5v.

those sticks will need a massive increase in voltage and increase a tempurate THAT CANNOT BE MONITORED without a FLIR or a temp probe which i'm willing to be she has neither.

not to mention the insane amount of time it would take for hci memtest to verify stability.

when someone is newish to over clocking in general, its is a REALLY REALLY good idea to tell them how to check stability on the part you are telling them to modifiy settings on.

IBT and Prime are not designed to test for that. you NEED to use something that is designed to test and stress memory alone.

faster NB and HT can be monitored and kept in check. yes tightening up the ram will provide better performance. that is something better left to her disgression when she is more comfortable with the chip.

and willing to accept the greater risk involved (due to lack of monitoring) {keep in mind we are dealing with quite obviously LOW binned ram, this is not an insult to the ram it will do what tis advertize to do, but its very very rare for low bin ICS to be able to OC worth anything, and yes i consider tightening timings over clocking, kuz if you do it right you get better performance.

eh I googled what was on her sig and newegg showed up 1600mhz at cl9 is this one of those same brand/model but not the same thing -...- Its not these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211701 ?.

nope

likely these if i had to guess given the one of two images she has in her gallery that show her ram

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211816


@CSSorkin, I should have been spesific i know there are ram kits that have sensors in them but i've NEVER heard of adata being one of those.

it does come off as being a bit generalized doesn't it.

I was just putting it out there for anyone that might not be aware of Aida's feature or the fact that some Dimms have thermal sensors. Of the ddr3 kits I have , I believe only my tracers are equipped with them, but I've never verified that. It wouldn't be very likely that a value kit would have them , regardless of brand.
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dsf
I was surprised at the improvement, and it explains why an old firestrike run on my GD-80 whips my crosshair's physics score at the same cpu clock . I think I had my HT at 2900+ on that run.
I'm not sure her kit is equipped with a thermal sensor. I do know that some PNY do have them and if it does, Aida 64 can give you those temps.

What Fs and settings where you using?
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dsf
I was surprised at the improvement, and it explains why an old firestrike run on my GD-80 whips my crosshair's physics score at the same cpu clock . I think I had my HT at 2900+ on that run.
I'm not sure her kit is equipped with a thermal sensor. I do know that some PNY do have them and if it does, Aida 64 can give you those temps.

What Fs and settings where you using?

I was mistaken - redface.gif it was on 3dmark 11 http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/5190294 please forgive my feeble mind frown.gif
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Ah the Intel vs AMD debate. lol My Husband is an Intel guy but loves AMD too, we can co-exist I tell ya!

The choice in my case was the 9590 or i7 4790 and yours would be the I7 6700k ? Those are about equal. To beat the FX you need a more expensive board and more expensive memory or a more expensive fixed freq Intel and a cheaper board. What is the point of doing equal for the same or more money (mostly). Really FX are OK if you want to take the time to tune them. The 4790K is $339 (price went down some since Jan 2015) and the FX 9590 is still $239. I also sold my old Thuban 960T, kept the MSI board replaced it with a Cheap gigabyte board and gave it mild overclock with an old Sythe downdraft plus a old xigma 120mm fan. I picked up the Sythe for $15 bucks. (I wanted the 15mm fan to squeeze in behind the socket.) I put it in a mini tower that originally had a P4 in it. Sold the case, Gigsbyte USB 3 with the Thuban to somebody that just wanted something to do the internet and watch blu-rays. I had already got my use out of that> if intel or AMD comes up with something in the $350-450 range (mother board +cpu) that is 25% to 30% better than a 9590 rig, I may go for it, IF it overclocks Lord knows I got enough spare parts

I even looked at the olde ladys rig today and squeezed out another 100Mhz (4350MHz at 1.28 volts) because I was bored. Not bad for a 3 year old 8350, in a 120mm fan in and 120mm fan out case ? I know it will do 4.6-4.7 but not in that case. If I get really bored I may even take the AIO apart I bought for it, and clean it.
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http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=612&item_id=067753

These are the ones I bought thus the ones installed. They're suppose to have tighter timings as shown on the package which is 9-9-9-24 so I dunno.
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http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=612&item_id=067753

These are the ones I bought thus the ones installed. They're suppose to have tighter timings as shown on the package which is 9-9-9-24 so I dunno.

Any way you could screenshot the spd tab of cpu z?
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Any way you could screenshot the spd tab of cpu z?

Here ya go.

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