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I realise that the Prime 95 not working with Piledriver/Bulldozer has been gone through already but i wanted to pose a question of sorts.

Is it possible that faults are coming due to architecture ?

What i mean by this ^^ is the fact that PD/BD architecture differs so vastly from previous ~Phenom II design or indeed Intel designs. The way in which PD/BD prefetch's decodes, sorts , cache's is so new and unique in design that it ( for reasons beyond my technical mind ) can not work this program with 100% accuracy. Looking at how the PD/BD architecture works is such a departure from previous cpu design in almost every way, and i believe this may be at least part of the reason why these cpu's are having difficulties.

Ive used Prime95 for many years just like a lot of you, and we all know that this program will bring any cpu to it's knees. It will of course push any cpu beyond the limits off what would ordinarily be required of it in almost any daily basis, even in heavy workload environments. I still believe it is a great stressing program, but i also believe that given the way PD/BD is designed that it is not suited as much as for previous cpu designs.

Just my thoughts, i could of course be completely wrong.
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I realise that the Prime 95 not working with Piledriver/Bulldozer has been gone through already but i wanted to pose a question of sorts.

Is it possible that faults are coming due to architecture ?

What i mean by this ^^ is the fact that PD/BD architecture differs so vastly from previous ~Phenom II design or indeed Intel designs. The way in which PD/BD prefetch's decodes, sorts , cache's is so new and unique in design that it ( for reasons beyond my technical mind ) can not work this program with 100% accuracy. Looking at how the PD/BD architecture works is such a departure from previous cpu design in almost every way, and i believe this may be at least part of the reason why these cpu's are having difficulties.

Ive used Prime95 for many years just like a lot of you, and we all know that this program will bring any cpu to it's knees. It will of course push any cpu beyond the limits off what would ordinarily be required of it in almost any daily basis, even in heavy workload environments. I still believe it is a great stressing program, but i also believe that given the way PD/BD is designed that it is not suited as much as for previous cpu designs.

Just my thoughts, i could of course be completely wrong.

That was one of the arguments for Prime's potential bugginess, yes.
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I realise that the Prime 95 not working with Piledriver/Bulldozer has been gone through already but i wanted to pose a question of sorts.
Is it possible that faults are coming due to architecture ?
What i mean by this ^^ is the fact that PD/BD architecture differs so vastly from previous ~Phenom II design or indeed Intel designs. The way in which PD/BD prefetch's decodes, sorts , cache's is so new and unique in design that it ( for reasons beyond my technical mind ) can not work this program with 100% accuracy. Looking at how the PD/BD architecture works is such a departure from previous cpu design in almost every way, and i believe this may be at least part of the reason why these cpu's are having difficulties.
Ive used Prime95 for many years just like a lot of you, and we all know that this program will bring any cpu to it's knees. It will of course push any cpu beyond the limits off what would ordinarily be required of it in almost any daily basis, even in heavy workload environments. I still believe it is a great stressing program, but i also believe that given the way PD/BD is designed that it is not suited as much as for previous cpu designs.
Just my thoughts, i could of course be completely wrong.

Have you looked at the Thread in my Signature? Within the Pildriver CPU, there are actually certain cores that are able to run Prime Stable, and yet certain cores throw rounding/hardware failure errors. (Not just Prime, but IBT, OCCT etc)

Hard to say if it's all because of the Silicon, and whether or not some components built upon it, can handle the frequencies. I'd say it's whatever part of the CPU links it to RAM (IMC/NB) because running Small FTT in Prime (Little to no Ram used) plays much better with Piledriver.
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will give tht a go
No visible heat problem here, wht voltage do u suggest ?
I hesitate to throw a value out there, because I'm not familiar with your board or want no responsibility for any problem you have in trying it.wink.gif
I guess I should put it like this, I have seen gains in stability up to 1.3125 volts cp/nb beyond that, it doesn't seem to help anything.
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You have done some good work there, very interesting. I did notice myself that with prime it would also always fail on certain cores regardless of settings, i didn't take note of which but i believe it was the same cores each time. The same used to occur with my 8120 as well.

I personally think it has something to do with cache hit/miss and they way the data is fetched/decoded and sent through the pipelines, and that in some way prime simply cannot flush the data through quick enough ( so to speak ) and as such only some of the data gets processed correctly ( the cores that succeed ). Due to the nature of the architecture and the way some of it's resources are shared i believe this is why it is unable to comply with prime, PD simply can't divide the tasks between cores equally due to sharing.

Of course what i think is purely speculation and only some of my own thoughts, im not qualified enough to know exactly what is or is not going on. Im no expert in the inner workings of cpu's so i am only guessing by what i know of them.

But keep up the good efforts ComputerRestore thumb.gif
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I think you both are on to something. It's just to coincidental that people have problems at about the same clockspeed ( above 4.7ghz) regardless of hardware used other than the Vishera chip.
Upping my cpu/nb v helped to some degree, but it's still very difficult to get prime to run above 4.7. I've all but dismissed it for testing above that speed.
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Oh one quick question guys, now my cpu is stable @4.5Ghz can i turn on the power saving features ( C1E or C6 etc ) so im not using too much power all the time ? Is it safe or will it upset the Overclock ?

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Oh one quick question guys, now my cpu is stable @4.5Ghz can i turn on the power saving features ( C1E or C6 etc ) so im not using too much power all the time ? Is it safe or will it upset the Overclock ?
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Its ok to turn on lol i use it too
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Oh one quick question guys, now my cpu is stable @4.5Ghz can i turn on the power saving features ( C1E or C6 etc ) so im not using too much power all the time ? Is it safe or will it upset the Overclock ?
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Yes, it is just suggested to turn them off coz at times they affect stability (specially CnQ) but for daily usage I turn on all of them.
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Yes, it is just suggested to turn them off coz at times they affect stability (specially CnQ) but for daily usage I turn on all of them.

to add having them off helps with isolating issues when oc'in once its stable you can turn them on.. more or less to make things easier instead of racking your head hitting a wall then relizing o hey its not stable and power saving features adding to it..
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