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Ai Tweaker profiles work like this.

Auto = auto you have little to no control

Docp = a little more control but mostly still auto

Manual = the recommended mode/profile, why because Auto should not be trusted for all things..

you lose the drop down for XMP that you get in DOCP because in manual mode you are expected to input those setting yourself. Docp can and will auto adjust the values you set.


Yep,But there are details or settings that these motherboards don't have as accessible to users.

Memory Timings settings on Saberkitty -even the CHVFZ are soo plain when compared to Gigabytes, let alone, Intel ones.

There are instances that setting it to DOCP first and manually adding in the timings can either be beneficial or hurt the timings as the board itself can impose it's own arbitrary values that you cannot control. So it's a hit or miss. It's pretty much the same scenario you get from the Kitty vs CHVFZ. Why the CHV allows higher Memory overclock when they both have the same memory related tweaks available to the user is within that policy.
post #57602 of 67357
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Originally Posted by FlailScHLAMP View Post

Ai Tweaker profiles work like this.

Auto = auto you have little to no control

Docp = a little more control but mostly still auto

Manual = the recommended mode/profile, why because Auto should not be trusted for all things..

you lose the drop down for XMP that you get in DOCP because in manual mode you are expected to input those setting yourself. Docp can and will auto adjust the values you set.


Yep,But there are details or settings that these motherboards don't have as accessible to users.

Memory Timings settings on Saberkitty -even the CHVFZ are soo plain when compared to Gigabytes, let alone, Intel ones.

There are instances that setting it to DOCP first and manually adding in the timings can either be beneficial or hurt the timings as the board itself can impose it's own arbitrary values that you cannot control. So it's a hit or miss. It's pretty much the same scenario you get from the Kitty vs CHVFZ. Why the CHV allows higher Memory overclock when they both have the same memory related tweaks available to the user is within that policy.

Some of the auto malarky can actually be helpful when you have settings you deem as being more important to others. I use DOCP to find the stable tertiary settings for ram that I want to force to use a certain CL ,CR or any combo of the 2 at a given frequency. This can give a good baseline of settings to work from when going into manual mode, or it can point to where the weakness is- such as loosening a timing or pushing back something like bank refresh rate etc. When tuning ram... I need all the help I can get - tongue.gif
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post #57603 of 67357
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Ai Tweaker profiles work like this.

Auto = auto you have little to no control

Docp = a little more control but mostly still auto

Manual = the recommended mode/profile, why because Auto should not be trusted for all things..

you lose the drop down for XMP that you get in DOCP because in manual mode you are expected to input those setting yourself. Docp can and will auto adjust the values you set.


Yep,But there are details or settings that these motherboards don't have as accessible to users.

Memory Timings settings on Saberkitty -even the CHVFZ are soo plain when compared to Gigabytes, let alone, Intel ones.

There are instances that setting it to DOCP first and manually adding in the timings can either be beneficial or hurt the timings as the board itself can impose it's own arbitrary values that you cannot control. So it's a hit or miss. It's pretty much the same scenario you get from the Kitty vs CHVFZ. Why the CHV allows higher Memory overclock when they both have the same memory related tweaks available to the user is within that policy.

how do you figure this. I can tell you for a fact that my CHvFz has more options for memory tweaking than my dad's z77 ud5, i've only worked with cheap haswell boards for others so i won't comment on those due to being a lower tier board then we are talking about

considering the memory options are split out between 4 tabs makes me want to ask.. have you actually found them all?
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Some progress! I got genuinely excited for a second there when I saw 2 passing results after manually entering the VDDA/etc. Some solid advice so far, thanks everyone. I have no intention of actually trying to use DOCP or XMP, I was just using those timings shown to enter them manually so no worries on that front.

Now I'm wondering if I should enter values for NB 1.8, SB, VDD PCIE and VDDR voltages or should I just go about increasing the CPU voltage some more?

Both of my early batch 8350's need more voltage than that, an honest 1.48 volts would get 4.7ghz on the 1312 chip. Do you know what batch your chip is?
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I think Deehoc's chip doesn't like vboost.
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Has anyone done better than 300ns for tRFC with 16 GB of RAM (2 sticks)?
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I just keep getting failures, even at 4.2 where I have been running my computer at for months with 0 problems 0 crashes. What gives?

A big one I see on my phone is nb, 1.1v ( increase 0.1v ) and imo stop changing so many songs at once, one at a time
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Ai Tweaker profiles work like this.

Auto = auto you have little to no control

Docp = a little more control but mostly still auto

Manual = the recommended mode/profile, why because Auto should not be trusted for all things..

you lose the drop down for XMP that you get in DOCP because in manual mode you are expected to input those setting yourself. Docp can and will auto adjust the values you set.


Yep,But there are details or settings that these motherboards don't have as accessible to users.

Memory Timings settings on Saberkitty -even the CHVFZ are soo plain when compared to Gigabytes, let alone, Intel ones.

There are instances that setting it to DOCP first and manually adding in the timings can either be beneficial or hurt the timings as the board itself can impose it's own arbitrary values that you cannot control. So it's a hit or miss. It's pretty much the same scenario you get from the Kitty vs CHVFZ. Why the CHV allows higher Memory overclock when they both have the same memory related tweaks available to the user is within that policy.

Sorry I have 970a-ud3 (2), ud7 (also 2) and Sabertooth and CHVZ and the Asus have far more settings and better trace routes that by far help the memory
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Both of my early batch 8350's need more voltage than that, an honest 1.48 volts would get 4.7ghz on the 1312 chip. Do you know what batch your chip is?

I had a pic of my chip pre-lap with the batch number showing but I lost it in a reformat and I don't remember posting it here when I posted the other pics x_X. I wish I had my batch number on hand but the best I can do is the purchase date on my receipt which is Feb 19th 2013.
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I think Deehoc's chip doesn't like vboost.

If this turns out to be the case I'm guessing I'd need to lower the LLC til it's no longer overvolting me and adjust my voltage accordingly?

I'm curious if there is anything I should change in my Digi+ Power settings as well, if anyone could give me a bit of input regarding that. Heres that screenshot again so no one has to find my initial post.

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Has anyone done better than 300ns for tRFC with 16 GB of RAM (2 sticks)?

I've done much better than that with 4x4 at 2400 mhz on the CHV-Z withe the kingston beasts, but I don't have 2400 mhz ram at 2x8.
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